I was just asking a simple question about how humans navigate the world and whether that would transfer to an AGI. Whether Nature or God was an efficient answer to curtail inquiry, and whether religious thought in general was an efficient model for managing the complexity of the world. This was not a prescription for anyone's AGI project. Not even mine. It was just a philosophical question. ~PM Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 13:58:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [agi] Is Religion Efficient? From: [email protected] To: [email protected]
hm, ok if I understand it right, "god" would be posited if the agent does not know the answer and also does not care about the answer at the moment. So it is a way of prioritizing tasks or curiosity. So each question with unknown answer would get a degree of importance and the least important/irrelevant ones would have a stop sign that says "god". For example why did the big bang happen? 2013/12/12 Mike Archbold <[email protected]> Some writers like to use "Nature" rather than God to describe the mysterious workings of the universe, such as everyday cause and effect. It sounds less religious! Philosophers, of course, have long used God in a neutral way, even if they happened to be religious themselves. Didn't Piaget have a theory of causality worked out? Causality attribution is different in development, as I recall from studying child psychology (not in detail). I think children use temporal causality too readily, meaning if two events happen in succession the child thinks the first one always caused the next event, even if there is no relation to two events other than they happen in sequence. Mike A On 12/11/13, Piaget Modeler <[email protected]> wrote: > Martin: "what is the difference between positing "unknown" as the easy > answer and "god" as the easy answer?" > I don't know what the implications are for an AGI just yet. For humans it's > pretty simple. When you posit "God" as an answer, you can end your search. > The answer is known. When you posit "unknown" as an answer, you have to > begin a new search to "know" the unknown. That's just what people do. > I guess it all depends upon how much curiosity we program into the AGI. Or > how much curiosity it develops for itself. > ~PM > > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 03:43:26 +0000 > Subject: Re: [agi] Is Religion Efficient? > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > My question was aimed at PM's implementation plans. > > 2013/12/12 Jim Bromer <[email protected]> > > A belief in God makes us think in terms of relations rather than particles. > This complements the impression of objects that can be formed by interacting > with common things and makes excessive reductionism less useful. I was just > reading that one of the modern theories in physics is that relations or > properties represent the foundation of the material world, not particles or > fields. > > > > On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 10:13 PM, martin biehl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > what is the difference between positing "unknown" as the easy answer and > "god" as the easy answer? > > 2013/12/11 Piaget Modeler <[email protected]> > > > > > > > sjatkins: "Positing a super-complex deity results in a simplified causal > model of reality? The mind boggles." > We do not posit a super-complex deity. We posit a deity, the definition of > which provides an easy answer to most questions. > > > > ~PM > > Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 12:11:31 -0800 > Subject: Re: [agi] Is Religion Efficient? > From: [email protected] > > > > To: [email protected] > > Positing a super-complex deity results in a simplified causal model of > reality? The mind boggles. > > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote: > > You do not need a religion to build a simple causal model of the world. > However, a well thought out materialistic causal model would lead to > unanswerable complexities. And if a causal model interferes with the > creation of non-causal relations then the model is going to be only of > limited use unless it was always being changed a little. > > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Piaget Modeler <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > Religion may be an efficient paradigm for an AGI to use in navigating the > world. > Ascribing causal events to an imperceptible deity may be an efficient > mechanism > > > > > for devising a simple and coherent model of the world, given volumes of > somato-sensory data and its derivable conceptual implications. -- Thot of > the day. > > > > > > ~PM > > > > > > AGI | Archives > > | Modify > Your Subscription > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Jim Bromer > > > > > > > > AGI | Archives > > | Modify > Your Subscription > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AGI | Archives > > | Modify > Your Subscription > > > > > > > > > > > > > AGI | Archives > > | Modify > Your Subscription > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AGI | Archives > > | Modify > Your Subscription > > > > > > > > > > -- > Jim Bromer > > > > > > > > AGI | Archives > > | Modify > Your Subscription > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AGI | Archives > > | Modify > Your Subscription > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11943661-d9279dae > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10872673-8f99760d Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
