Hmm... that sounds kind of amusing, but unfortunately my wife has vetoed the plan...
Maybe you can seduce the rich women and then give me some of the money obtained? ;-) On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Azn A <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, financial prediction is very risky Ben. I think an easier route to > millions would be in seducing very wealthy women and having them pay for > everything. Just look at John kerry or my cousin, ex DC Mayor Adrian Fenty. > The Washington Post reported that Fenty is in a relationship with Laurene > Powell Jobs, widow of Apple co-founder Steve Jobs. That is a few billion > right there. This would all be for the greater good. > > > On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 3:13 AM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Hey Azn, >> >> Of course I would take US$100M or even US$20M personally, even if it >> required me to work for the company that paid the $$ for 3 years or >> whatever [a common sort of requirement] ... >> >> However, I don't currently have the sort of company that a Google or >> Facebook would want to buy.... Deep Mind had ~60 machine learning >> programmer/scientists, colocated, with fancy pedigrees -- and they put a >> lot of work into making working demos that would impress folks like Google >> execs (e.g. video game playing by reinforcement learning & computer vision, >> which is not fundamentally hard but requires lots and lots of fiddling to >> be surely).... And they worked up to that acquisition via taking $$ from >> Silicon Valley insiders (Peter Thiel's Founders Fund) and cultivating >> associated relationships.. >> >> Vicarious Systems has a similar, though far smaller team, and also had >> Founders Fund $$; and also put a lot of work into making the right kind of >> working demo .. in their case solving the CAPTCHA problem.... Again, >> solving CAPTCHA is not incredibly hard given a deep learning computer >> vision system, but it's a long road of fiddling and tweaking given current >> technology... >> >> Neither company had/has a great near-term biz model, but both were well >> primed for tech biz acquisitions >> >> Point is, grooming a company for potential acquisition or investment by >> Silicon Valley types is a specific quest that takes time and special >> effort. It's not a bad path to take. But it's not the case that these >> companies just want to buy any high-quality AI team (and I emphasize the >> team because IMNSHO Deep Mind was mainly an acqui-hire); they tend to work >> thru their own social networks; etc. >> >> Since I don't have a company of the sort these firms like to buy, my >> opportunity regarding such firms would be to get one of them to make a job >> for me, and a suitable fraction of my OpenCog colleagues, working on >> OpenCog type AGI software. Most of these companies like proprietary code >> so they would probably want us to make a proprietary fork of OpenCog and >> integrate with their own internal software systems. While there would be >> no multimillion dollar hiring bonus, there would be the option for a large >> personal $$ payout if we made our software do something of value to that >> firm a few years down the road.... And of course there would be the option >> to convince that big company to progressively put more and more $$ into >> said proprietary OpenCog fork... >> >> If I didn't have other interesting options available that might be an >> appealing path for me and some of my colleagues. It's not impossible I >> would take that route. Yet I tend to be a free spirit; I like to be able >> to work from home and to travel freely, and to talk freely about what I >> do.... And I have a strong intuition that it's better to make AGI in the >> open source way, drawing insight from a wide group of folks around the >> world with various backgrounds... >> >> If my work with Aidyia Limited, a HK hedge fund I've co-founded, goes >> well, then I can make enough $$ myself to fund OpenCog at a level that will >> eliminate the need for megacorporate sponsorship. But of course financial >> prediction is risky even with machine learning algorithms on your side, and >> work on that application takes time that could be spent on AGI... >> >> And so it goes in early 2014... >> >> ;) >> Ben >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Azn A <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Interesting, but how is selling some of your low level work forcing you >>> into a megacorporation? You can probably walk away once the deal is done >>> right? With what, $100 million? You say you would only need $60 million to >>> get an AGI.. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Eventually there will be an AGI that is far beyond human control. But >>>> before that, there will be a gradual path of increasing AGI, when the >>>> relationship btw humans and AGIs will be more complicated. Having this >>>> intermediate-stage AGI guided primarily via corporate motives of short-term >>>> profits, seems unwise to me... >>>> >>>> Also, it seems better if all the smart minds in the world can >>>> collaborate on creating AGI, not just the few who happen to have been hired >>>> by some particular company >>>> >>>> Joel Pitt and I made these arguments in more detail at >>>> >>>> http://jetpress.org/v22/goertzel-pitt.htm >>>> >>>> Linux demonstrates that OSS can go as far and fast as in-house >>>> projects at big companies (or more so), if things fall into place right... >>>> >>>> -- Ben >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Azn A <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ben Goertzel wrote: >>>>> > I would prefer to make AGI open source, not within a >>>>> megacorporation.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Why? It's like not the AGI can be controlled or whatever... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Alan Grimes <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ben Goertzel wrote: >>>>>> > I would prefer to make AGI open source, not within a >>>>>> megacorporation... >>>>>> >>>>>> Got detailed build instructions for Linux? 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