"So an initial working version of OpenCog is better analogized to the Linux kernel, plus enough non-kernel stuff to make the thing usable and demonstrable in some significant way.... Then once that core version has been excitingly demonstrated, getting a lot of support code built to connect the core OpenCog system to loads of other stuff will be easier, and will be more analogous to the build-out of the rest of the OpenCog system."
So you're working on building an AGI mind via a financial prediction system? Interesting.. "Because one of our major thrusts is natural language processing; and apes and racoons have very limited English capability" so do babies "But recall, I lived in DC for 9 years and did a bit of military and intel AI consulting. I know what that part of the world wants." That was in the 80's. This is 2014. Siri (the Apple app) is a spin-out from the SRI International Artificial Intelligence Center, and is an offshoot of the DARPA-funded CALO project. DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) is an agency of the United States Department of Defense responsible for the development of new technologies for use by the military. If any of your stuff actually worked, I'm sure they would be interested. "If we get OpenCog to do really cool stuff, there will be ways for the core team to be financially comfortable without any selling of souls to governments." All life seeks primarily to expand itself. No matter what type of situation individuals find themselves in, their will to power comes through in some way or another. How many bands have we seen break up when the lead singer gets all the media attn? How many new companies are founded by people who just want to do their own thing? "None of the core team really has a mindset that wants to work for a gov't or a big company.... We all consider building an open source thinking machine more important than that. Note Linas Torvalds has not been recruited to work for a big company or the gov't either.." Nonsense, Torvalds was recruited by Steve Jobs himself to work on Mac OS X http://www.slashgear.com/linux-creator-linus-torvalds-declined-job-offer-from-steve-jobs-22219603/ However, like I said above, all life seeks to expand itself. So obviously Linus WAS never going to give up Linux. "Also note, our development efforts now are centered in Hong Kong and Ethiopia. We have a couple key developers in the US, but also a couple contributors in Iran" What, did you miss the opening scene in ironman where is looked in a cave and forced to build stuff? You might want to invest in some security Ben. "This sort of open source project is not particularly well set up for any particular government to take it over.." Why not? All your work is online and once there is a kernel it would be easy to build the rest as you say :) On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 7:00 AM, Azn A <[email protected]> wrote: > >> So why don't you say you're developing the mind of an ape or raccoon >> since you haven't defined a toddler brain. >> >> > > Because one of our major thrusts is natural language processing; and apes > and racoons have very limited English capability > > ;) > ben > > >> >> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:47 AM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> I don't know much about adolescent brains, but there is lots of >>> knowledge about toddler brains and minds and the correlations therebetween, >>> as described in standard texts like >>> >>> >>> http://www.amazon.com/Developmental-Cognitive-Neuroscience-Mark-Johnson/dp/1444330861 >>> >>> that you probably know... >>> >>> ben >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Azn A <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I now see why we don't have AGI yet lol. PM, I studied cognitive >>>> neuroscience. Empirical evidence linking neurodevelopmental processes and >>>> adolescent real-world behavior remains nonexistent. Just because children >>>> lack knowledge of concepts like "conservation" doesn't mean they are >>>> systematically different like Ben is saying. It's called ignorance :) >>>> >>>> Holla! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Piaget Modeler < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> According to psychologists, a person's frontal lobe isn't developed >>>>> until mid to late 20's. >>>>> That's why teenagers cannot accurately predict the consequences of >>>>> their actions. >>>>> >>>>> Even Piaget noticed that concepts like "conservation" was not present >>>>> in children of >>>>> certain ages. There are just certain constructs that are not present >>>>> in infants, small children, >>>>> teenagers, that are indeed present in most adults. (Most because of >>>>> human variability.) >>>>> >>>>> ~PM >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:05:11 -0700 >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [agi] Elon Musk And Mark Zuckerberg Have Invested $40 >>>>> Million In a so called Artificial Intelligence Company >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the links Ben, but those articles don't really support your >>>>> case. A child's brain is LESS efficient than an adult brain? Is that it? >>>>> Really? As we get older synapses get pruned and long-distance axonal >>>>> tracts >>>>> get more heavily insulated with myelin. Umm, okay. I believe that is >>>>> called >>>>> learning. Where are the many systematic differences? I bet a 35 y/ old >>>>> has >>>>> a more efficient brain than a 18 y/o. So lets call the 18 y/o old some >>>>> made >>>>> up name. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10514698-9a8cda1e> | >>>>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>>>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>>>> >>>> >>>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19237892-5029d625> | >>>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ben Goertzel, PhD >>> http://goertzel.org >>> >>> "In an insane world, the sane man must appear to be insane". -- Capt. >>> James T. 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