You can say Nietzsche was for unconditional love too i.e. amor fati (love of fate). Walter Kaufmann wrote that Nietzsche "celebrates the Greeks who, facing up to the terrors of nature and history, did not seek refuge in 'a Buddhistic negation of the will,' as Schopenhauer did, but instead created tragedies in which life is affirmed as beautiful in spite of everything. Schopenhauer's negation of the will was a saying "no" to life and to the world, which he judged to be a scene of pain and evil. "Directly against Schopenhauer's place as the ultimate nay-sayer to life, Nietzsche positioned himself as the ultimate yes-sayer...." Nietzsche's affirmation of life's pain and evil, in opposition to Schopenhauer, resulted from an overflow of life. Nietzsche viewed tragedy as the art form of sensual acceptance of the terrors of reality and rejoicing in these terrors in love of fate (amor fati), and therefore as the antithesis to the Socratic Method, or the belief in the power of reason to unveil any and all of the mysteries of existence.
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 7:50 PM, just camel <[email protected]> wrote: > Quite interesting. Campbell describes time as only fundamental within > this PMR (physical matter reality) as it creates a way for us to experience > causality and thus to learn (improve our consciousness) via millions of > action<->reaction cycles. In his model time does not exist in the bigger > picture. > > He describes quantum mechanics as a smart way to reduce processing power > requirements as the VM only provides the information currently being > requested (by taking a measurement/collapsing the wave function) to the VM > world. This way all information requests/reads only need to satisfy a > probability distribution and consistency and you don't need to keep the > entire PMR world within "memory". From what I understand this implies that > planets out there for example are not fundamentally real but get "created" > on demand (measure by measure) just like a game engine would randomly > create a consistent world satisfying a certain probability distribution. > > According to him those who develop their consciousness beyond a certain > degree (getting closer to arriving at unconditional love) will become able > to interact with the bigger picture (the entirety of evolving > consciousness) and influence its development in positive ways. Those who > fail to develop their consciousness will be given new new chances (some > form of consciousness reincarnation) but eventually end up being removed > from the experiment if they turn out to be unprofitable (not in a monetary > sense). > > Unfortunately the way Nietzsche though about the purpose of life, > suffering and what is "right and wrong" makes those two models very > incompatible. I find it quite interesting how people arrive at so many > (fundamentally) different conclusions and interpretations of reality. > > > > On 03/24/2014 02:40 AM, Azn A wrote: > > I'm with Nietzsche in that we are all immortal, though not continuously. > During death, our configuration and energy are conserved as the soul, to > manifest again in the next creation. This cycle goes on endlessly. By > considering the universe as an infinite series of compositions or > configurations, one concludes that the composition of this very moment one > is living will--must--occur again. come to pass. One's 'self' identity is a > creation of will to power, or more accurately, a system of quanta or > centers of force (an oligarchy). > > Once you realize the perspective of infinite change, you can see > everything and it is just a matter of realizing a set of changes to get > where you want to go. The universe is a reference of infinite variety, it > has all the computations that you might need already computed for you, with > the right perspective and index of concepts that is... That's what you > realize when you study cosmology simulation technology and see their > results match up with reality. Everyone lives in a 0-dimensional world, > i.e. a cyclical infinite loop of change and people think we live in a 3D > world, with time tacked on as an after thought as the 4th dimension -- > hence why mathematicians get lost in their math regarding n-dimensional > analysis and string or m-theory with 11 dimensions when if they just mapped > the interactions in change they would instantly see that once anything goes > beyond light speed it appears as a barely noticeable wiggle in our time > frame analysis, as if a particle is momentarily popping into space and out > of space or what they call the quantum flux and sea of frothy virtual > particles -- they are all idiots because they can't see change. > > > On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 6:11 PM, just camel <[email protected]> wrote: > >> If Earth represents a pre-school environment for poorly developed >> consciousness then there would be little memories? >> >> Also if you were running a virtual world in some VM and the population >> largely adopted a spiritually depriving socioeconomic ideology of >> separation and fear and if your population would largely consider talking >> about other "realms" to be hogwash and unscientific (as small picture >> science can only describe what is going on within our small picture VM >> world ... a subset of the bigger picture defined through physical laws) >> then you would end up with people like you and me having never actually >> tried to get "in touch" with other realities because of mere ignorance and >> a very limited decision space. >> >> In "My Big Theory Of Everything" by Tom Campbell he describes just that. >> I am not saying whatever he is writing is the truth but I learned that we >> maintain so many dogmas and belief systems that it would not surprise me if >> it was actually true. Many native tribes talk about how your spirit is >> fundamental and this world is not. >> >> I find this train of though to be very interesting in the context of AGI >> R&D. If this world isn't fundamental then working on AGI suddenly makes >> less sense. If you were free to leave this reality (if you really cared and >> tried) and to interact with other realities in a non physical way then what >> do we need a cure for cancer or computronium for? Of course I'd love to >> experience the spiritual process of expanding my consciousness through >> merging with superintelligent entities nonetheless. :-) >> >> >> >> On 03/23/2014 07:57 PM, John Rose wrote: >> >>> Then you might ask how come we don't remember anything. 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