In this world we do live in wealth is produced by people. Those value produces rightfully expect some value in return. What I mean is just because someone *needs* the value they produce does not mean they should get it with no value given to its producer. If you think they should then you would seem to be claiming that some people that did not produce value have a right to simply claim some of the life energy and work of another without compensation. Which seems like you are saying the rights of some entitle them to violate the rights of others - in this case to their own production and the life energy that went into it. This is a problem.
In a world that is coming that is highly automated and much more efficient at production than this one this would be much less of a problem because no rights need to be violated or very much fewer at least. And what I also meant was what would be generously shared by many by choice should not be taken by force ever. On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Piaget Modeler <[email protected]>wrote: > She said: "No one has an automatic right to a living or anything else > that must be provided whether they like it or not by others." > > I said I don't share her opinion. > > She said in a hypothetical utopia she agreed that people would deserve > unearned income. > > I said It's only because we live within our current economic system that > we don't think people are entitled to an unearned income. > > ~PM > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 00:36:15 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [agi] Practical Applications for AGI > > On 03/28/2014 12:56 AM, Piaget Modeler wrote: > > In a Society where everything is automated and human labor is unnecessary, > then everyone > will have a right to a living. > > > Isn't that what Samantha wrote? > > That's exactly the fearful mindset which created all of our crisis. We > believe that people need to face severe consequences in order to contribute > relevant things to society. > > The fun thing is that today we got billions of people getting paid for not > contributing anything meaningful. Instead of unconditionally taking care of > everybody and having (most of) them find ways to do wonderful things for > other people we legitimize and maintain a system which despiritualizes them > and which forces them to sell insurances, study crap like tax laws or build > factories producing throw away screw drivers and tv sets with low quality > capacitors which will break after a year. > > So if you want people to actually work for their society (and not against > it) then you should in fact take care of everybody unconditionally. That's > not even rocket science. If you force people to struggle for survival they > will do the most irrational and horrible things. A high entropy, fearful > mind is a de-evolutionary mind. > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19999924-4a978ccc> | > Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/2997756-fc0b9b09> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
