Don't worry Alan... After I forcibly upload you, I won't destroy your meat version. I'll just keep your uploaded version as a sort of plaything for my uploaded robot kids ;D
... ben On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 1:25 AM, Alan Grimes via AGI <[email protected]> wrote: > I read a goodly chunk of that 10 years to the singularity pile of text > that The Goertzel pushed out the other day. > > In it, he threatened to upload all of his "friends"... > > > I want to be perfectly clear here. I am not one of your "friends". I > think being uploaded is only second worst to being tortured and then > murdered, but only because of the "tortured" part. > > > I'm posting this not just because I'm fed up with this bullshit, but > also because I'm coming to a new realization that uploaders are a bunch > of suicidal flatheads. =| > > The single unavoidable issue in uploading is the identity issue. That > alone is a showstopper and should end any further consideration of the > topic. Interestingly, I have noticed something extremely peculiar in the > last few exchanges. ** THE UPLOADERS THEMSELVES SEEM TO WANT TO DIRECT > THE DEBATE TOWARDS THE IDENTITY ISSUE!!! ** > > The reason for this is that the uploaders seem to want to confine the > intellectual battle space to a zone that they can manage, but not really > win. > > Their problem is that nothing about uploading makes any sense and that > any dispassionate examination of the "post-upload" condition will reveal > absolutely devastating problems that can only be avoided by not > examining them and by directing the attention to already active battle > spaces. > > No upload can possibly exist outside of a runtime environment equivalent > to an operating system. No matter how hard you try to obscure this, or > bullshit it away like Eugene Leitl does, this this is an absolute fact. > > Furthermore, because a person is catagorically dead very early in the > uploaded process, said person has absolutely no control over what kind > of alterations or "restraining bolts" are added to the runtime > environment. None whatsoever! The being doing the uploading procedure is > therefore all-powerful and the eager victim of this procedure is a > fucking flathead and desirves whatever he gets. > > This is an inescapable truth. There is no law or safeguard that can > possible protect the upload because the means for arbitrary tampering > can evade any conceivable effort to police the procedure. Again, there > is no rational reason to continue contemplating uploading. > > > The second issue I want to cover here is this notion of the persona. I > don't really understand it much but, according to the rothblat-creature > it seems to be the summation of the affectations and charactoristics > exhibited by the quirks of your neurology. The motivation for caring > about persona seems to come from strong emotions that some people > experience from their attachment systems. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attachment_theory > > The thing to pay double-special close attention to here is that the way > uploaders describe and promote "personalities"/"persona" etc. When you > think about it for more than a few microseconds, you realize that what > they are describing is a *TRAP*. They are proposing to trap your persona > in something metaphorically equivalent to amber for the benefit of their > own attachment emotions and nothing else. Because the person being > uploaded dies in the process, that person receives no benefit, instead > the language of people promoting uploading frequently make references to > the preservation of attachment relationships. This is one of the central > keys to uploading. They want to reduce you from a being that lives for > itself to one that exists only to satisfy their own emotional needs to > be with people they are used to being with. As such, the runtime > environments for uploads will be designed specifically so that they > continue to exhibit the traits that trigger the attachment response in > the person doing the uploading and thus will not be permitted to be > self-specifying self-designing self-actualizing sentient beings that > they deserve to be. > > > But wait, I'm not quite ready to press the button yet! Here's a little > tidbit for those few of you with some measurable curvature to your > skulls. What I am getting at is philosophy. What is it that makes a > person? How exactly is a person put together? Why do people have > distinct minds or personalities to begin with? > > Humans have minds because their DNA required a higher level of > patterning to the behavior of the meat-pupets that the DNA needs to > replicate. That is why minds exist. The mind functions by capturing the > external environment in the form of a simulation which, simultaneously, > constitutes a language that can be used for reason, memory, and all the > other thinky-goodness that we get out of our brains. Running a > simulation engine within a simulation and then closing the feedback loop > will have -- um -- interesting effects.... > > But let's continue. What we call personality is not inherently valuable. > It is merely an implementation quirk of the imperfect implementation of > the biological mind and a function of that mind's experiences and > proclivities. You may have heard "great minds think alike". What happens > when everyone's minds quirks are ironed out to some arguably objective > measure of perfection? The answer is simple: the "personality" vanishes > and you get a billion instances of a standard human mind, sure they will > each have unique memories and experiences but they won't really be > unique in any interesting respect. > > What happens next? You see, the reason we have distinct minds at all is > because our brains are separated from one another by a dozen or so > layers of tissues, scalp, hair, several or more feet of air, and there > is basically no bandwidth between brains. > But what happens when you force everyone to exist within the same > platform? One of two things will inevitably happen. Either you will > enforce separation for the sake of preserving the much-cherished > personality as above or you will witness a stunning phase change as > inter-mindfile bandwidth, almost inevitably, shoots up exponentially and > the minds congeal into a new superstructure. The reason for this > shouldn't be too hard to picture. Early experimentation with inter-mind > connections will cause the minds involved to adapt to be co-dependent > (this is simply an extension of the adaptive processes one finds between > the several parts of a natural brain and even in close family > relationships or friendships). This will happen before anyone realizes > it is happening, I would be surprised if it would take longer than a > subjective week for this process to occur. > > I am not saying that this is necessarily bad, what I'm saying is that > you are fucking flatheads for not realizing it will happen and are > suffering from profound delusions about what it is you are proposing to > do. =| > > -- > IQ is a measure of how stupid you feel. > > Powers are not rights. > > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-deec6279 > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com -- Ben Goertzel, PhD http://goertzel.org "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. 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