please refrain from vulgar language Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via AGI <[email protected]> wrote: >Hey Calum. Watch it! Pigs are very-very smart. They can sniff out >truffles, and corpses from 6 feet under. :-) > >I'm so itching to say it, but I won't. NOW can we get some ass into >gear? Are we going to use this as a wakeup call, or not? > >Subject: Re: [agi] AI Protest in Texas >From: [email protected] >Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 07:48:07 +0000 >To: [email protected] > >Ha! I like the Occupy Coke idea! You may not be a "PR guy" but you >surely could be if you wanted to. >I thought you believed AGI to be Good News, not a pig in need of better >lipstick? > >Calum >On 18 Mar 2015, at 02:21 AM, "Ben Goertzel via AGI" <[email protected]> >wrote: > > > >On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 11:13 PM, Robert Levy via AGI <[email protected]> >wrote: >This is probably an important discussion, independent of the event that >prompted it, but it turns out the protest at SXSW was a hoax/ viral >marketing campaign staged to promote a new dating site. > > > >I wonder what's next.... "Was that a revolution in Russia we just saw, >or just a large-scale advertisement for Kalashnikovs??" > >Will the border between political activity and marketing campaign blur >even further? > >"Occupy your stomach with 'Occupy Cola' ,the true rebel's beverage of >choice " ??? > >ben > >On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Calum Chace via AGI <[email protected]> >wrote: >Very well said. (And Pandora's Brain does say it, as it happens...) >But the pro-AGI community also needs to convince the public that the >AGI we'll get will be a Friendly one. >Calum >On 17 March 2015 at 15:56, Ben Goertzel via AGI <[email protected]> >wrote: > >A problem is that careful, balanced discussions of difficult issues are >boring and don't attract media attention > >Joel Pitt and I wrote a fairly thoughtful discussion of AGI safety >issues a few years ago, > >http://jetpress.org/v22/goertzel-pitt.htm > >but of course our thoughts are more complex and nuanced, whereas a >tweet from a billionaire comparing AI research to demon-summoning is a >lot sexier... > >IMO, to get media attention sufficient to counteract the media's love >of > >alarmism and doomsaying, the pro-AGI community would need to come >forward very > >aggressively with the message that AGI is important for SAVING AND > >IMPROVING HUMAN LIVES ... for designing the next generation of > >medicines, for creating elder-care robots to make old age more > >livable, for extending healthspan for those who want it, for aiding > >the invention of new energy sources, for aiding in the fight against > >physical and cyber terrorism, and so forth.... "Don't worry too > >much, we'll be careful" is not a convincing counterargument -- a better > >counterargument to the Musks, Hawkings, Bostroms and Yudkowskys of the >world is more like "Hey, I don't want your fear of science fiction bad >guys to > >deny my grandma her life-extending, health-improving medicine and her > >robot friend, to eliminate my future of virtually unlimited energy and > >to put me at risk from terrorist attacks...." I.e. "DON'T LET THE > >LUDDITES KILL YOUR GRANDMA AND TAKE YOUR TOYS AWAY!! EMBRACE AI AND >ROBOTS LIKE YOU'VE EMBRACED SMARTPHONES, AC POWER, THE INTERNET AND >BIRTH CONTROL PILLS -- AND YOUR LIFE WILL BE BETTER -- " .... > > > >OK I'm semi-joking ;) ;p ... but unfortunately I think it's a mistake >to overestimate the general public's appetite for rational, balanced >discussion and thinking ;p ... When careful nuanced thinking on >difficult issues it put out there, it tends to be vigorously ignored... > >-- Ben > >On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Benjamin Kapp via AGI ><[email protected]> wrote: >If you think of governments as an artificial man (as was done by >Aristotle and Hobbes amongst others) which is composed of humans who >are the muscles (military, police), the intelligence (spys, >scientists), the judging and planning (judges, politicians), etc.. In >a way the state is a leviathan (a thing which has power to overawe any >individual or group of individuals). And in this way AGI (or a super >intelligence) already exists. >On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 6:29 AM, Calum Chace via AGI <[email protected]> >wrote: >Thanks Basile. I agree with Pitrat, although I might dial up the >consideration of the downside possibility a touch. >Hawking usually gets slightly mis-represented. He said that AGI could >be either the best or the worst thing ever to happen to humanity. The >"best" bit seems to get missed by both sides of the debate. >So, my question is, what is the best way for people who think along >these lines to try and steer the public debate on AGI? Alarmism is >unhelpful, and hard to avoid. Secrecy won't work. Ben is tackling the >issue head-on (as in the video he posted just now), but it's a hard >debate to get right. >Calum >On 17 March 2015 at 11:17, Basile Starynkevitch ><[email protected]> wrote: >On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 09:33:22AM +0100, Calum Chace via AGI wrote: > >> Steve > >> > >> I sympathise with your very understandable preference not to be >targeted by > >> anti-AI crazies! > >> > >> What do you think is the best way to try and shape the growing public > >> debate about AGI? Following Bostrom's book, and the comments by >Hawking, > >> Musk and Gates, a fair proportion of the general public is now aware >that > >> AGI might arrive in the medium term, and that it will have a very big > >> impact. > >> > >> Some AI researchers seem to be responding by saying, "Don't worry, it >can't > >> happen for centuries, if ever". No doubt some of them genuinely >believe > >> that, but I wonder whether some are saying it in the (forlorn?) hope >the > >> debate will go away. It won't. In fact I suspect that the new >Avengers > >> movie will kick it up a level. > >> > >> Others are saying, "Don't worry, AGI cannot and will not harm >humans." To > >> my mind (and I realise I may be in a small minority here on this) >that is > >> hard to be certain about - as Bostrom demonstrated. > >> > >> Yet others are saying, "AI researcher will solve the problem long >before > >> AGI arrives, and it's best not to worry everyone else in the >meantime." > >> That seems a dangerous approach to me. If the public ever feels >(rightly > >> or wrongly) that things have been hidden from them, they will react >badly. > >> > >> But I do definitely sympathise with the desire not to be targeted by > >> crazies, or to be vilified by journalists who have half-understood >the > >> situation! > >> > > > >[...] > > > >> >> > ------------------------------------------- > >> >> > AGI > >> >> > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > > > >[....] > > > > > >I would suggest reading J.Pitrat's december 2014 blog entry on that >subject. > >J.Pitrat is probably not subscribing to that list, i > >so I am blind-carbon-copying him. > > > >http://bootstrappingartificialintelligence.fr/WordPress3/2014/12/not-developing-an-advanced-artificial-intelligence-could-spell-the-end-of-the-human-race/ > > > >He is explaining that > > > > "Not developing an advanced artificial intelligence > > could spell the end of the human race" > > > >and I believe he has a point. Of course AGI researchers should be >careful. > > > >Regards > > > >-- > >Basile Starynkevitch http://starynkevitch.net/Basile/ > > > > > >-- >Regards >Calum > > > > > > > > > AGI | Archives > > | Modify > Your Subscription > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AGI | Archives > > | Modify > Your Subscription > > > > > > > > > >-- >Ben Goertzel, PhD >http://goertzel.org > >"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: >the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. >Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George >Bernard Shaw > > > > > > > > > AGI | Archives > > | Modify > Your Subscription > > > > > > > > > >-- >Regards >Calum > > > > > > > > > AGI | Archives > > | Modify > Your Subscription > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AGI | Archives > > | Modify > Your Subscription > > > > > > > > > >-- >Ben Goertzel, PhD >http://goertzel.org > >"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: >the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. >Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George >Bernard Shaw > > > > > > > > > AGI | Archives > > | Modify > Your Subscription > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AGI | Archives > > | Modify > Your Subscription > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------- >AGI >Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >RSS Feed: >https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/5037279-a88c7a6d >Modify Your Subscription: >https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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