Hi everyone,

I've been following the AGI list for a while, but this is my first post.
Here is a little bit about my background in artificial neural networks from
MANY years ago (see my PhD thesis on using artificial neural network-based
vision to drive a car: https://books.google.com/books?id=7pvbBwAAQBAJ) and
from more recent research on brain-computer interfaces (see:
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2521888/app-development/intel--chips-in-brains-will-control-computers-by-2020.html)
to help introduce myself and ground this post.

On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 15:24:04, Matt Mahoney wrote:
> There is a lot of evidence that neurons in the brain are performing a >
type of computation that is simulated in artificial neural networks. >
Specifically, that a neuron computes a weighted sum of inputs followed > by
a clipping or threshold function. The quantity of interest is the > firing
rate, which is represented as a real-valued activation level > that varies
on the order of tens or hundreds of milliseconds.... > > In any case, the
computation is O(n), where n is the number of > synapses. This is in P.

There is growing evidence in neuroscience that there is more to neural
computation than simply neurons computing a weighted sum of their inputs.
And from my read of that evidence, a reasonable argument can be made that
recreating such computation on a digital computer may be NP-hard /
NP-complete. Below is a sketch of one argument as to why this might be the
case.

The question hinges on what level a Whole Brain Emulation (WBE) would/will
need to operate to recreate the key aspects of brain dynamics in order to
recreate human thinking/consciousness - will it require emulation at the
level of cortical columns, individual neurons, neurotransmitter molecules,
atomic or possibly even quantum interactions? This will determine to a
great extent how feasible it will be to create such emulations in a digital
computer. Here is an analogy that sometimes makes me pessimistic about the
feasibility of whole brain emulation. Consider the problem of predicting
how long, linear strings of amino acids (i.e. proteins) fold to create the
bioactive 3D structure of protein molecules that are critical for all life.
Proteins fold incredibly fast into the same, extremely complex 3D
structures - see this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs3xONv548I)
for an animation of the 3D structure of hemoglobin. Despite knowing the
exact sequence of amino acids in the protein molecules like hemoglobin, and
knowing how to compute the local forces between various adjacent/nearby
amino acids that contribute to the molecule's ultimate 3D shape, even the
fastest computers are not able to accurately predict the 3D shape of a
folded protein from its amino acid sequence alone. In fact, the protein
folding problem has been shown to be NP-hard (
http://www.brown.edu/Research/Istrail_Lab/papers/robustproofs.pdf), in
fact, even worse, NP-complete - see this paper
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9541869). To quote from the paper above:
"Exhaustive search of a protein's conformational space is clearly not a
feasible algorithmic strategy. The number of possible conformations is
exponential in the length of the protein sequence, and powerful
computational hardware would not be capable of searching this space for
even moderately large proteins." The relevance of the protein folding
problem to the brain emulation problem stems from the reason why predicting
a protein's 3D shape is so hard. The reason is due to non-local
interactions. The reason its so hard is that each new amino acid added to
the protein not only has local effects on the shape of the resulting
manifold, but has long range, non-linear influence on how far distant parts
of the protein interact. For example, a slight change in a bond angle at
one location in the amino acid chain has the potential to bring far distant
amino acids in the chain into a new spacial configuration relative to one
another, changing their individual bond angles which in turn induce more
long-range impacts in a ever expanding ripple effect. So adding (or
modifying) one amino acid to the chain requires a combinatorially explosive
additional amount of computation to predict the impact on the 3D structure
if using a digital simulation of the protein and the folding process. In
other words, elements of the system (in this case amino acids) engage in
non-local, long-range interactions with other elements of the system in
ways that are intractable to predict/simulate without an incredibly
detailed (and therefore computationally intractable) model of the physics
of the system. What does this have to do with how the brain works? Its
becoming increasingly clear in neuroscience that important aspects of
neural processing (especially consciousness, see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_wave) occur as a result of long range
interactions between populations of neurons mediated by neural oscillations
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_oscillation) which in turn are
largely generated and propagated by what are called Local Field Potentials
(LFPs see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_field_potential), which are
an electrophysiological signal generated by the summed electric current
flowing from multiple nearby neurons within a volume of brain tissue. The
details aren't that important. The key thing to understand is that the
firing of a single neuron doesn't just influence the downstream neurons it
is directly connected to via synapses. The firing of a single neuron is an
electrochemical event, which contributes to altering the brain's electrical
field at various scales. Changes to the electrical field in turn influence
the tendency (probability) of neuron's within that field to fire (see
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8985893 for evidence), which in turn
will change the electrical field further, causing other neurons to change
their tendency to fire, creating a cascade of influence that is *independent
of the direct synaptic connectivity pattern.*

Here is a good 2010 paper (see http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20130201
) by Buzsáki & Koch (two leaders in the field of neuroscience) providing
evidence that 'digital' neural spiking and 'analog' spatially varying
electric field potentials in the brain are interdependent - mutually
influencing each other to form a feedback loop.  To quote from the abstract
"These findings imply that local electric fields, generated by the
cooperative action of brain cells, can influence the timing of neural
activity."   And here is where the analogy between protein folding and
brain emulation becomes apparent. If changes in a neuron's firing behavior
can have long-range impact on the firing behavior of other neurons to which
it is not directly (or even indirectly) connected via its influence on the
brain's electrical field, this could set in motion the kind of cascade of
non-local influences that made the protein folding problem theoretically
(not to mention practically) intractable. In other words, if this type of
long-range, non-linear, synapse-independent interaction is indeed happening
and is important for information processing in the brain, then it may be
intractable to accurately predict brain activity at time T+1 from brain
activity at time T based solely on the synaptic connectivity pattern
between neurons - which most researchers into whole brain emulation seem to
assume will be possible. In short, growing evidence supporting the
importance of cortical oscillations in neural processing suggests that this
sort of analog/digital feedback loop might be critical to how the brain
works, and that such interactions might be very hard (possible intractably
hard) to model accurately (i.e. emulation vs. merely crude simulation) on a
digital computer, in a similar way to how protein folding is intractable to
model on a digital computer.

I hope this isn't the case, since IMO the most likely path to a
transhumanist future for today's middle age people is mind uploading, given
the progress being made towards accurate whole brain preservation, as
documented by recent steps towards winning the Brain Preservation Prize
(see:
http://blog.brainpreservation.org/2015/05/26/may-2015-bpf-prize-update/).

Thanks,

--Dean



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