There are no logical inconsistencies in advocating open-source AI. Nukes are a bad analogy. They are controlled largely via scarcity of needed raw materials. But if AGI can be implemented on standard digital computers, this sort of control does not exist....
Musk's conclusion, which I agree with, is that the odds of keeping AGI safe via a) doing a mediocre job of safe AGI design and trying (and probably failing) to keep one's AGI system secret are lower than the odds of keeping AGI safe via b) having a really good design for safe AGI, even if publicly known ... and he is betting that b) will be best achieved via having the world at large pursue AGI, rather than having AGI pursued secretly by gov't labs or big for-profit companies only... Part of the reasoning behind a) is that keeping software designs secret in the modern era is pretty damn unlikely.... The argument is one of balancing probabilities that we cannot know very well at the moment, but I don't think it's inconsistent or illogical... -- Ben On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 2:19 PM, J Rao <jr...@live.com> wrote: > To play devil's advocate, if AGI is really dangerous like Elon Musk > believes, wouldn't distributed access to AGI like handing out nukes to > everybody? I think there's some logical inconsistencies here, unless he > also supports NRA. > > On 12/20/2015 9:20 AM, Logan Streondj wrote: > >> I agree with Elon about distributed access to AGI and I have been >> meditating over 15 years. >> >> AI superpowers, well we already have spellcheckers which make us >> superhuman spellers. I think it is the little increases in accuracy, >> efficiency and access to knowledge people and money that makes info tech >> enabled humans super by contrast to ordinary humans. >> >> I also agree that it is a limited view to constrain to human powers, when >> we can also consider humanity as extended by and inclusive of our >> technological children. >> >> The habitable zone can encompass all planets, if we accept AGI as part of >> humanity's self. >> >> justcamel wrote: >> >>> Elon Musk is a highly dysfunctional clown. He knows nothing about the >>> world view and perception of a highly developed and wise individual. He >>> extrapolates from his limited consciousness and expects AI to behave in >>> ways his narrow world view deems logical. >>> >>> Ask Elon Musk again after he meditated for a decade. >>> >>> Why do we care about the opinions of random people? Your bank account >>> and your IQ are irrelevant when it comes to understanding reality. >>> >>> On 19.12.2015 18:56, John Smith wrote: >>> >>>> “I think the best defense against the misuse of AI is to empower as >>>> many people as possible to have AI. If everyone has AI powers, then there’s >>>> not any one person or a small set of individuals who can have AI >>>> superpower." - Elon Musk >>>> >>>> I wonder what sorts of AI powers, or superpowers you guys think he is >>>> talking about? >>>> *AGI* | Archives | Modify Your Subscription [Powered by Listbox] >>>> >>>> >>> *AGI* | Archives | Modify Your Subscription [Powered by Listbox] >>> >>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> < >> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/26346070-1cd82ca6> | >> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription [Powered >> by Listbox] <http://www.listbox.com> >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-deec6279 > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > -- Ben Goertzel, PhD http://goertzel.org "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
