[This SIG belongs below, but I am unable to move it. - Arthur] http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/aisource.html is the cluster of Mind programs described in the AI textbook "AI4U" based on AI Mind-1.1 by Arthur T. Murray which may be pre-ordered from bookstores with hardcover ISBN 0-595-65437-1 and ODP softcover ISBN 0-595-25922-7.
On 13 Nov 2002, James Rogers wrote: > On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 19:41, Arthur T. Murray wrote: > > > > That's where the Mentifex AI and Novamente differ (and probably also > > where A.T. Murray the linguist and Ben Goertzel the mathematician differ). > > > > If you're not aiming for language, you're aiming for a smart animal. > > > That doesn't follow. It makes little sense to believe that > intelligence emerges from language rather than the other way around. ATM: You are right. Language emerges from intelligence. Therefore, if we want to re-create an Artificial General Intelligence, we should not stop short of NLP (natural language processing) but rather we should include NLP among our immediate goals. > How is language required for intelligence, beyond the fact > that you may effectively need an intelligent system to solve > the language problem? And then there is the problem of defining > "language" for this purpose, since it is more of a gradient > than a discrete thing, much like "intelligence". > > > -James Rogers > [EMAIL PROTECTED] After Ben Goertzel's gracious answer (thank you), in which he told both sides of the issue by informing us that some members of the now-defunct Webmind team had wanted to press on with NLP, I realized that the main point I wanted to get across was about concepts -- which serve as the underpinning for any NLP system. http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/theory5.html "Brain-Mind: Know Thyself!" is the most (I hate this word: ) "accessible" and therefore successful of the Mentifex AI theory documents, describing a proposal for how nerve fibers in the brain hold concepts which are then subjected to the Chomskyan linguistic superstructures. http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/jsaimind.html is the Tutorial AI in JavaScript (for Microsoft Internet Explorer) that implements concepts at the base of language structures. If Ben Goertzel and the rest of the Novamente team build up an AI that mathematically "comprehends" mountains of data, they may miss the AI boat by not creating persistent concepts that accrete and auto-prune over time as the basis of NLP. The Mentifex Mind-1.1 AI, primitive as it may be, has since 1993 (nine years ago) gradually built up a sophisticated group of about 34 mind-modules now barely beginning to achieve NLP results. I enter these thoughts here not confrontationally but from a point-of-view that NLP is not otherwise being sufficiently represented among all these mathematicians and computationalists. Submitted most respectfully, Arthur T. Murray -- posting from a Seattle Public Library; see SIG arrantly above. ------- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/
