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-- Ben G > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Timothy Estes > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 10:24 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [agi] Web Consciousness and self consciousness > > > I'm new... is there a way to see the beginning of this discussion. I am > intrigued to comment, but don't want to repeat something that has > already been said. > > Warmest regards, > Tim > > On Sunday, September 7, 2003, at 08:38 PM, Ben Goertzel wrote: > > > > > > >> Qualia by their definition (ineffable, non-causal etc.) have no > >> function, can > >> have no function in the system, that I do agree with Dennett ('quining > >> qualia'). I also agree with Dennett that if the behaviour of a system > >> is > >> completely explained nothing remains, all extra ontology is just > >> redundant > >> metaphysics. Eliminate it by Ockham's razor; like William James > >> said: 'every > >> difference must make a difference.' > > > > Hmmmm.... One modification to this: Even if all the behavior of a > > system is > > completely explained by ideas in set X, there may still be a value for > > ideas > > in set Y if they give a *simpler* explanation of the behavior of a > > system. > > > > This is not just a quibble, it's a relevant issue. Even if mechanisms > > give > > a complete explanation of a system's behavior, qualia could still be > > relevant if they give a simpler explanation of aspects of the system's > > behavior. Which *does* appear to be the case... > > > > > > -- Ben G > > > > ------- > > To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your > > subscription, > > please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ------- > To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate > your subscription, > please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ------- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
