>> Actually this is another nice feature of universal intelligence: An agent 
>> can't
>> really get a better score by having a large database of prior knowledge. 

Hmmm.  That seems *really* counter to my intuition.

>> The problem is that if you put some information into the agent's database,
>> "the grass is green and the sky is blue" then this will help the agent in a
>> world where this is true.  However, there will be another world with about 
>> the 
>> same complexity where the sky is green and the grass blue. 

But the grass is green and the sky is blue for a reason (chlorophyll has 
evolved to be the most effective color given the sun-characteristics and 
atmospheric composition dictates the blue) and similarly, if the sky is green 
and the grass blue, it will also be for a reason and one small piece of 
information will tell you a tremendous amount about the situation you are in 
(because there truly are *NOT* infinite combinations of possibilities that 
occur with *reasonable* probability.  You've allowed the wonder of infinity to 
blind you to reality.  Things are *never* totally without correlation yet this 
is what you are implying (and enforcing with your overly general test).

- - - - 

Nice conversation though.

        Mark



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Shane Legg 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 6:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [agi] rule-based NL system


  Mark,


    I was objecting to the fact that your paper did not even mention, much less 
stress, the fact that prediction of previously unseen things is critical to 
intelligence.  

  It's true that I don't talk about the prediction of "previously unseen" 
things.
  I suppose I just take it for granted.  I mean,  if I predictor can't 
generalise 
  from past experience to predict patterns that have not been seen yet, but
  are in some way related to the past, then it's a pretty poor predictor!

  Perhaps this illustrates something more important however:  One of the 
  problems with defining intelligence is that it seems to involve an endless
  range of abilities.  Some argue that perception is very important.  Some that
  language is key.  Others think that mathematical thinking, or probabilistic 
  reasoning, or rational thought are very important.  Perhaps planning is
  very important. Maybe the ability to abstract.  Emotions?  And so on...

  The beauty of the approach that we have taken is that we abstract above 
  all this and just talk in terms of goal achieving performance.  Thus things
  such as planning, reasoning or prediction are important to the extent that
  they enable the agent to achieve goals.  If they don't enable the system 
  to work better in some environment, then they aren't a part of intelligence.
  Not only does this allow us to not have to name what each of these things
  are, it also means that the intelligence test measures cognitive abilities 
  that may enhance an agent's performance that we have not yet thought of.




    I agree with the first sentence of your second paragraph entirely but point 
out that a "by rote" machine with virtually infinite experience will test as if 
it had high universal intelligence unless the test manages to hit upon some 
area where it didn't have experience -- and I feel that this is entirely 
incorrect.

  Actually this is another nice feature of universal intelligence: An agent 
can't
  really get a better score by having a large database of prior knowledge. 

  The problem is that if you put some information into the agent's database,
  "the grass is green and the sky is blue" then this will help the agent in a
  world where this is true.  However, there will be another world with about 
the 
  same complexity where the sky is green and the grass blue.  The agent has
  no idea which of these two worlds it is going to face.  This makes a database
  of prior experience is useless.  The only way that the agent can do well is 
by 
  quickly learning from its experience and adapting to deal with the 
uncertainties
  in its environment.

  Unfortunately, in the 8 page Benelearn paper there wasn't space to get into
  many of these interesting aspects of this intelligence test. 

  Cheers
  Shane



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