Yes, an AGI will have to be able to do narrow AI.
What you are doing here - and everyone is doing over and over and over - is
saying: "Yes, I know there's a hard part to AGI, but can I please
concentrate on the easy parts - the narrow AI parts - first?"
If I give you a problem, I don't want to know whether you can take dictation
and spell, I just want to know whether you can solve the problem - and not
make excuses, or create distractions.
It's simple - do you have any ideas about the problem of AGI - ideas for
generalizing skills (see below) - "cross-over" ideas - or not?
David:
How intelligent would any human be if it couldn't be taught by other
humans?
Could a human ever learn to speak by itself? The few times this has
happened in real life, the person was permanently disabled and not capable
of becoming a normal human being.
If humans can't become human without the help of other humans, why should
this is a criteria for AGI?
David Clark
PS I am not suggesting that explicitly programming 100% of an AGI is
either
doable or desirable but some degree of detailed teaching must be a
requirement for all on this list who dream of creating an AGI, no?
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March-02-08 5:36 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [agi] Thought experiment on informationally limited
systems
Jeez, Will, the point of Artificial General Intelligence is that it can
start adapting to an unfamiliar situation and domain BY ITSELF. And
your
FIRST and only response to the problem you set was to say: "I'll get
someone
to tell it what to do."
IOW you simply avoided the problem and thought only of cheating. What a
solution, or merest idea for a solution, must do is tell me how that
intelligence will start adapting by itself - will generalize from its
existing skills to cross over domains.
Then, as my answer indicated, it may well have to seek some
instructions and
advice - especially and almost certainly if it wants to acquire a
whole new
major skill, as we do, by taking courses etc.
But a general intelligence should be able to adapt to some unfamiliar
situations entirely by itself - like perhaps your submersible
situation. No
guarantee that it will succeed in any given situation, (as there isn't
with
us), but you should be able to demonstrate its power to adapt
sometimes.
In a sense, you should be appalled with yourself that you didn't try to
tackle the problem - to produce a "cross-over" idea. But since
literally no
one else in the field of AGI has the slightest "cross-over" idea - i.e.
is
actually tackling the problem of AGI, - and the whole culture is one of
avoiding the problem, it's to be expected. (You disagree - show me one,
just
one, cross-over idea anywhere. Everyone will give you a v.
detailed,impressive timetable for how long it'll take them to produce
such
an idea, they just will never produce one. Frankly, they're too
scared).
Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> You must first define its existing skills, then define the new
challenge
>> with some degree of precision - then explain the principles by
which it
>> will
>> extend its skills. It's those principles of
extension/generalization
>> that
>> are the be-all and end-all, (and NOT btw, as you suggest, any
helpful
>> info
>> that the robot will receive - that,sir, is cheating - it has to
work
>> these
>> things out for itself - although perhaps it could *ask* for info).
>>
>
> Why is that cheating? Would you never give instructions to a child
> about what to do? Taking instuctions is something that all
> intelligences need to be able to do, but it should be attempted to be
> minimised. I'm not saying it should take instructions unquestioningly
> either, ideally it should figure out whether the instructions you
give
> are any use for it.
>
> Will Pearson
>
>
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