On Saturday 19 April 2008 11:35:43 am, Ed Porter wrote: > WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? > > With the work done by Goertzel et al, Pei, Joscha Bach > <http://www.micropsi.org/> , Sam Adams, and others who spoke at AGI 2008, I > feel we pretty much conceptually understand how build powerful AGI's. I'm > not necessarily saying we know all the pieces of the puzzle, but rather that > we know enough to start building impressive intelligences, and once we build > them we will be in a much better position to find out what are the other > missing conceptual pieces of the puzzle--- if any. > > As I see it --- the major problem is in selecting from all we know, the > parts necessary to build a powerful artificial mind, at the scale needed, in > a way that works together well, efficiently, and automatically. This would > include a lot of parameter tuning and determining of which competing > techniques for accomplishing the same end are most efficient at the scale > and in the context needed. > > But I don't see any major aspects of the problem that we don't already have > what appear to be good ways for addressing, once we have all the pieces put > together. > > I ASSUME --- HOWEVER --- THERE ARE AT LEAST SOME SUCH MISSING CONCEPTUAL > PARTS OF THE PUZZLE --- AND I AM JUST FAILING TO SEE THEM. > > I would appreciate it if those on this list could point out what significant > conceptual aspect of the AGI problem are not dealt with by a reasonable > synthesis drawn from works like that of Goertzel et al., Pei Wang, Joscha > Bach, and Stan Franklin --- other than the problems acknowledge above > > IT WOULD BE VALUABLE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION OF --- AND MAKE A LIST OF --- WHAT > --- IF ANY --- MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES EXIST IN AGI. If there are any > such good list, please provide pointers to them. > > I WILL CREATE A SUMMARIZED LIST OF ALL THE SIGNIFICANT MISSING PIECES OF THE > AGI PUZZLE THAT ARE SENT TO THE AGI LIST UNDER THIS THREAD NAME, WITH THE > PERSON SENDING EACH SUCH SUGGESTION WITH THE DATE OF THEIR POST IF IT > CONTAINS VALUABLE DESCRIPTION OF THE UNSOLVED PROBLEM INVOLVED NOT CONTAINED > IN MY SUMMARY --- AND I WILL POST IT BACK TO THE LIST. I WILL TRY TO > COMBINE SIMILAR SUGGESTIONS WERE POSSIBLE TO MAKE THE LIST MORE CONCISE AND > FOCUSED > > For purposes of creating this list of missing conceptual issues --- let us > assume we have very powerful hardware --- but hardware that is realistic > within at least a decade (1). Let us also assume we have a good massively > parallel OS and programming language to realize our AGI concepts on such > hardware. We do this to remove the absolute barriers to human-level > intelligent created by the limited hardware current AGI scientists have to > work with and to allow a systems to have the depth of representation and > degree of massively parallel inference necessary for human-level thought. > > ------------------------------------------ > (1) Let us say the hardware has 100TB of RAM --- and theoretical values of > 1000TOpp/sec --- 1000T random memory read or writes/sec -- and an > X-sectional band of 1T 64Byte Messages/ sec (with the total number of such > messages per second going up, the shorter the distance they travel within > the 100T memory space). Assume in addition a tree net for global broadcast > and global math and control functions with a total latency to and from the > entire 100TBytes of several micro seconds. In Ten years such hardware may > sell for under two million dollars. It is probably more than is needed for > human level AGI, but it gives us room to be inefficient, and significantly > frees us from having to think compulsively about locality of memory. > > ------------------------------------------- > agi > Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >
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