Hi All,

I'm new on these lists and enjoying reading some very interesting and
sometimes challenging material. I'd like to add a couple of points,
unfortunately just personal but hopefully meaningful.

First, when you're talking about 'young children' that seems a bit vague.
>From some reading I've done and personal experience, there seems to be a
window (18-48 months maybe?) where children's language acquisition is very
rapid. They'll regurgitate words they hear and form new constructions (not
just repeating but using rules to generate novel utterances). And, to an
extent, in a child's first few years, they DO spend a lot of time learning
languages. It's just that it happens naturally so doesn't appear to be
(formal) learning.  A friend's 5 year old once told me to 'get off me you
bastard' which he almost certainly had 'picked up' at school - though I
doubt he had been 'taught' it. Does a typical parent - child dialogue like
the below seem like learning? I think it is:
"what do you say"
"sorry..."

Secondly, the issue of 'thinking' in languages is easy to confuse. Contrive
a situation where you're in a foreign country where you don't speak the
language. You can go into a restaurant and order a meal just using hand
actions. You may order something called 'funnygrub' and eat and enjoy it
with no idea what it is in your native language, even having eaten it. But
you do then know what 'funnygrub' is and if you choose to frame your thought
with words, that's how you'll think of it. So are you thinking in a foreign
language? The point is that language is tied to experiences or sensory data
and the trick with foreign langauge learning is that you need to learn new
language for concepts you already now and have language for. If you don't
have language for the concepts it might be a lot easier since it's not much
different from learning a new concept and word in your own language. If it's
something you now about already then you have to learn to go from your
existing word to a new one, but with time/practise you can tie the concept
to the foreign word more easily/directly. For 'young children', learning
more than one language at a time means skipping the concept -> first
language -> second language step, much like you can call an apple and apple
and a fruit at the same time (not a perfect example I grant you).

I'd recommend Steven Pinker's 'The Language Instinct' - fascinating and
insightful. In fact, I'd recommend anything by Pinker.

Cheers,

Simon

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