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From: Bob Mottram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  The typical pattern which I've observed 
on AI forums and
lists over the last 15 years goes something like the following:

1.  The Hopes of Visionaries

2.  Elucidation of the issues

3.  The Dominion of Philosophers

4.  Plebiscite Immigration

5.  The Troll

6.  Exodus of the Visionaries And Serious Thinkers (EVAST)

7.  Insults and Idiocy

8.  Abandonment and Kipple

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You forgot to mention the scolds and the endless rolling meta discussion.

Reality Check: if you are criticizing the discussion rather than focusing on 
the subject matter, then your criticism only adds to the froth.  (By the way, 
in order to avoid the inanity of suppressed psychological projection, I 
immediately try to apply a criticism like that onto my own actions to see if 
they fit.  And, as in this case, they often do.  So, as a rule of thumb, I 
usually try to limit the number of  contributions I make to the tedious meta 
discussion criticism.)  Normally, I would just ignore the comments that you 
made, but your announcement of a new acronym for an observation coupled with a 
dubious assertion of your own superiority really does merit some special 
attention!  (And by the way, I really do try my criticisms on myself to see if 
they fit. Try it yourself!)

I am proud to be on the outer fringes of contemporary science, but that does 
not mean that I want to waste too much time on the ruminations of the other 
crackpots and cranks in these groups.

Jim Bromer



      

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