Hi Jey, You said:
This list is being dominated by nonsense because the scientifically grounded people on this list don't want to take the time to refute every piece of fantastic drivel. I certainly don't blame them for wanting to focus on their time on other more productive projects, but it ultimately reflects poorly on the list and scares away scientifically grounded AGI newbies by reinforcing the idea that AGI is the exclusive domain of "crackpots". Readers sharing your viewpoint might join the completely non-drivel OpenCog mail list which is here. But it only discusses OpenCog and related components. I was drawn to this list when Ben founded it as a forum for AGI developers. Regardless of how readers feel about my posts, and how I feel about the relevance of any particular thread, for me this list is very valuable. It's sort of like panning for gold. Every once in a while there is a great nugget to be found. For example, some years ago, on the SL4 list, Ben told me about hierarchical control systems, which are now the key architectural feature of my project. If a thread is not relevant to my work, I skim it. If I see something relevant, or if someone asks me a direct question, then I frame my response with details of my own work. Most others here do not have a code base, or at least one that they can freely discuss. Especially I regard descriptions of working systems valuable, even if the AGI approach is very different than my own, regardless of the wackiness factor. What I am looking for is constructive critique of my work, forewarning of problems that I may eventually have to deal with, and potential solutions and capabilities that I can plan on implementing in Texai at some future point. I hope other AGI developers share at least some of my views on the content of this list. I'm very happy with the current level of moderation and policing. Cheers, -Steve Stephen L. Reed Artificial Intelligence Researcher http://texai.org/blog http://texai.org 3008 Oak Crest Ave. Austin, Texas, USA 78704 512.791.7860 ----- Original Message ---- From: Jey Kottalam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 12:29:59 PM Subject: Re: [agi] Porting MindForth AI into JavaScript Mind.html On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Bob Mottram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think Yudkowsky once said that AI remains at present largely the > dominion of pioneers and mavericks. It's certainly not yet a mature > science. The typical pattern which I've observed on AI forums and > lists over the last 15 years goes something like the following: > Fully agreed. I'm drawing a distinction between scientifically grounded pioneering mavericks (e.g. Yudkowsky) and unscientific nonsense. This list is being dominated by nonsense because the scientifically grounded people on this list don't want to take the time to refute every piece of fantastic drivel. I certainly don't blame them for wanting to focus on their time on other more productive projects, but it ultimately reflects poorly on the list and scares away scientifically grounded AGI newbies by reinforcing the idea that AGI is the exclusive domain of "crackpots". -Jey Kottalam ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?&; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=103754539-40ed26 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
