Mike,
Valentina was referring to a remark I made (and shouldn't have -- just on
general principles) about her making my *personal* kill-list thanks to the LOL
she left regarding Richard Loosemore's original reply to the post that started
this thread. I should have taken a "time out" before I opened my big fingers.
Had I done so, I would have found out (as I did through subsequent exchanges
with Richard) that his comments were based on a misunderstanding. He thought
what I was calling the "list of things we don't know" was a list of "all things
not known." It wasn't. I was referring to the "list of things we know we don't
know." I take full responsibility for creating this misunderstanding through
sloppy writing/editing. Anyhow, I took Richard's initial comments the wrong way
(probably because I'm as insecure as the next person). Valentina's message got
read in that context. The misunderstanding has all been worked out now, so
there was really no reason for all the initial "drama."
Valentina: if you're reading this, I apologize for overreacting. I re-read your
post after I'd calmed down and realized that you did add a brief comment on
Richard's reply. You didn't just "pile on." I look forward to hearing more
about your views on building an AGI.
I'm happy to see this thread has generated some interesting side discussions.
I'm here to learn and, occasionally, see what people who give a lot of time and
thought to this subject think of my whacky ideas.
Cheers,
Brad
Mike Tintner wrote:
Er no, I don't believe in killing people :)
I'm not quite sure what you're what getting at. I was just trying to add
another layer of complexity to the brain's immensely multilayered
processing. Our processing of new words/word combinations shows that
there is a creative aspect to this processing - it isn't just matching.
Some of this might be done by standard verbal associations/ semantic
networks - e.g. yes IMO "artcop" could be a word for, say, art critic -
cops "police", and art can be seen as being policed - I may even have
that last expression in memory. But in other cases, the processing may
have to be done by imaginative association/drawing - "dirksilt" could
just conceivably be a word, if I imagine some dirk/dagger-like
tool being used on silt, (doesn't make much sense but conceivable for my
brain) - I doubt that such reasoning could be purely verbal.
Valentina: This is how I explain it: when we perceive a stimulus, word
in this case, it doesn't reach our brain as a single neuron firing or
synapse, but as a set of already processed neuronal groups or sets of
synapses, that each recall various other memories, concepts and neuronal
group. Let me clarify this. In the example you give, the wod artcop
might reach us as a set of stimuli: art, cop, mediu-sized word, word
that begins with a, and so on. All these connect activate various maps
in our memory, and if something substantial is monitored at some point
(going with Richard's theory of the monitor, I don't have other
references of this actually), we form a response.
This is more obvious in the case of sight - where an image is first
broken into various compontents that are separately elaborated:
colours, motion, edges, shapes, etc. - and then further sent to the
upper parts of the memory where they can be associated to higher
level concepts.
If any of this is not clear let me know, instead of adding me to
your kill-lists ;-P
On 7/31/08, *Mike Tintner* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Vlad:
I think Hofstadter's exploration of jumbles (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumble ) covers this ground.
You don't
just recognize the word, you work on trying to connect it to
what you
know, and if set of letters didn't correspond to any word,
you give
up.
There's still more to word recognition though than this. How do
we decide what is and isn't, may or may not be a word? A
neologism? What may or may not be words from:
cogrough
dirksilt
thangthing
artcop
coggourd
cowstock
or "fomlepaung" or whatever?
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