She's not asking about the kind of embodiment, she's asking what's the use of a
non-embodied AGI. Your quotation, dealing as it does with low-level input, is
about embodied AGI.
--- On Fri, 8/22/08, Vladimir Nesov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thanks Vlad, I read all that stuff plus other Eliezer
> papers. They don't
> > answer my question: I am asking what is the use of a
> non-embodied AGI, given
> > it would necessarily have a different goal system from
> that of humans, I'm
> > not asking how to make any AGI friendly - that is
> extremely difficult.
> >
>
> If AGI you are talking about is not going to be powerful
> enough, it is
> a completely different question. Weak optimization
> processes are the
> stuff we build our instrumental actions on, by creating
> contexts from
> which these processes can't (aren't supposed to)
> break out, and so
> exercise their local optimization in a way that is bound to
> lead to a
> different end.
>
> I don't see what relevance does the choice of
> embodiment has to
> anything, except for practical considerations during the
> earliest
> stages of development, when AGI is not yet able to model
> sufficiently
> high-level events in the environment. In today blog post, I
> concluded
> the long arc of posts that describes a high-level
> perspective on
> operation of AGI agent ("holistic control"), that
> emphasizes how a
> particular way in which input and output are organized
> (particular
> embodiment) is insignificant. A quote (
> http://causalityrelay.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/holistic-control/
> ):
>
> > The operation of control algorithm is focused on the
> support of model of
> > environment, not on action and perception. Action and
> perception are only
> > peripheral (although indispensable) aspects of
> control, with low-level
> > input binding the model of environment to reality at
> one tiny point,
> > supplying new facts and showing the mistakes, and
> low-level output giving
> > the model ability to participate in the causal web of
> environment.
>
> --
> Vladimir Nesov
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://causalityrelay.wordpress.com/
>
>
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