Well I am definitely a philosopher-scientist and not a PR guy ;-) Perhaps the confusion is just that I don't think there is any one exclusively correct approach. I think 3D robotic or virtual embodiment are very convenient approaches so I am following these paths w/ OpenCog and Novamente (with an emphasis on virtual embodiment, but a robotics collaboration also starting), but I don't think they are in any fundamental sense necessary for AGI...
Sorry if my phrasing or tone were "off", I probably shoulda got more sleep last night! I am not at all frustrated by discussions of the specific role that 3D perception and visualization plays in human or humanlike cognition. Very interesting, worthwhile topic! I get frustrated by discussions of whether 3D perception and visualization and other humanlike capabilities are **necessary** for AGI's, because to me it's so patently obvious that they're not ;-) ben On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Ben: as discussed already ad nauseum, I do not think that robust > perception/action is necessarily the best place to start in making an AGI. > However, our current work on embodying Novamente and OpenCog does involve 3D > virtual worlds ... and, of course, my planned work with Xiamen University > using OpenCog to help control a Nao robot also involves our 3D visual > world... > > In terms of P.R. - communicating what you're doing - about through which > channels your AGI's or other AGI's will try to learn about which dimensions > of which worlds, this is all a little confusing. And I suspect everybody, > including you, is a little confused here - especially about the different > limitations/advantages of the different approaches. Hey, you seem to be in a > highly experimental/exploratory stage, which is fine. But the "ad nauseum" > comment seems to be aimed at stifling rather than encouraging further > analysis, and covering over the confusion.. There's actually an awful lot to > discuss here - it hasn't all been covered. > > ------------------------------ > *agi* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > -- Ben Goertzel, PhD CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC Director of Research, SIAI [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Nothing will ever be attempted if all possible objections must be first overcome " - Dr Samuel Johnson ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=111637683-c8fa51 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
