An interesting thing to keep in mind when discussing play, though, is **subgoal alienation**
When G1 arises as a subgoal of G, nevertheless, it may happen that G1 survives as a goal even if G disappears; or that G1 remains important even if G loses importance. One may wish to design AGI systems to minimize this phenomenon, but it certainly occurs strongly in humans. Play may be an example of this. We may retain the desire to play games that originated as practice for G, even though we have no interest in G anymore. And, subgoal alienation may occur on the evolutionary as well as the individual level. ben g On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Examples of the kind of similarity I'm thinking of: > > -- The analogy btw chess or go and military strategy > > -- The analogy btw "roughhousing" and actual fighting > > In logical terms, these are intensional rather than extensional > similarities > > ben > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> Ben:If an intelligent system has a goal G which is time-consuming or >> difficult to achieve ... >> it may then synthesize another goal G1 which is easier to achieve >> We then have the uncertain syllogism >> >> Achieving G implies reward >> G1 is similar to G >> >> Ben, >> >> The be-all and end-all here though, I presume is "similarity". Is it a >> logic-al concept? Finding similarities - rough likenesses as opposed to >> rational, precise, logicomathematical commonalities - is actually, I would >> argue, a process of imagination and (though I can't find a ready term) >> physical/embodied improvisation. Hence rational, logical, computing >> approaches have failed to produce any new (in the normal sense of >> "surprising") metaphors or analogies or be creative. >> >> Maybe you could give an example of what you mean by similarity >> >> ------------------------------ >> *agi* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | >> Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> > > > > -- > Ben Goertzel, PhD > CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC > Director of Research, SIAI > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "Nothing will ever be attempted if all possible objections must be first > overcome " - Dr Samuel Johnson > > > -- Ben Goertzel, PhD CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC Director of Research, SIAI [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Nothing will ever be attempted if all possible objections must be first overcome " - Dr Samuel Johnson ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=111637683-c8fa51 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
