The OpenCog Atomspace --- its knowledge-base of nodes and links --- is
totally free-form without any overarching structures imposed by the
programmer
However, hierarchies or frames can of course exist as structures within this
free-form pool of nodes and links
In building a particular app using OpenCog, one can opt to build in
hierarchies and frames and such (via creating XML files containing
appropriate nodes/links and importing them) or one can start from a blank
slate and let the whole structure emerge as it will...
Ben G
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Ben,
>
> Some questions then.
>
> You don't have any spaces or frames as such within your systems? (what
> terms would you use/prefer here BTW?) Everything is potentially connected
> to everything else? Perhaps you can give some example from say your
> pet-in-a-virtual-world (or anything else). It doesn't have a frame say re
> "fetching", or some other activity? How can it connect, as you can connect
> on the Web, from say the domain of fetching and balls to any other domain ?
> Like hide-and-seek? Or conversation? (Or, on the Web itself, to planets in a
> solar system).
>
> It won't have ordered hierarchies, say, re "animals" ("...mammals...humans"
> etc?
>
> Another feature of the webs vs nets distinction. Webs it seems to me are
> *multi-domain* of their very nature. .( A domain, for me, consists of a set
> of elements which behave according to consistent rules - e.g. chess pieces
> which move in set ways on a board).So webs are composed of diverse and often
> contradictory domains and rules. Your sex web, for example, will have a
> whole variety of domains, religious, literary, different moralities,
> etiquette, fashion, pornographic, fantasy etc offering contradictory rules
> about whom you can and can't have sex with, and how, and when - and for what
> reasons Ditto our language webs consist of radically conflicting rules about
> how we can and can't speak, construct sentences, use words, spell, mix
> different conventions, accents, tones etc. etc. Do your spaces/domains exist
> similarly with conflicting rules? You don't need to keep updating them for
> consistency? Your system can, for example, survive with conflicting rules of
> logic - Nars-ian and PLN - as your own brain can?
>
> I suspect IOW there *are* important distinctions to be drawn & explored
> here. And my first attempt here may be rather like my first attempt at
> defining programs a long time ago, which failed to distinguish between
> sequences and structures of instructions - and was then pounced on by
> AI-ers.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> As I understand the way you guys and AI generally work, you create
>> well-organized spaces which your programs can systematically search for
>> options. Let's call them "nets" - which have systematic, well-defined and
>> orderly-laid-out connections between nodes.
>
>
> That is simply incorrect ... the connections between
> nodes/terms/concepts/whatever are chaotic and self-organized and disorderly,
> within OpenCogPrime, NARS, or any of a load of other AGI systems.
>
> And then you have some cognitive processes that try to build order out of
> the chaos and create links imposing some fragmentary order ... which won't
> last long unless actively maintained [roughly: as some folks build
> directories of parts of the Web...]
>
> There is a large body of study of the connection statistics of large
> networks, and some (but less) study of the dynamics of connection stats in
> large networks.
>
> -- Ben G
>
>
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