Ben,
Thanks. But you didn't reply to the surely central-to-AGI question of whether
this free-form knowledge base is or can be multi-domain - and particularly
involve radically conflicting sets of rules about how given objects can behave
- a central feature of the human brain and its knowledge base, I would argue.
I haven't thought this through, but my first thought is that such a
multi-domain structure lends itself v. strongly to the cross-domain thinking
that remains a problem for AGI.
Ben:The OpenCog Atomspace --- its knowledge-base of nodes and links --- is
totally free-form without any overarching structures imposed by the programmer
However, hierarchies or frames can of course exist as structures within this
free-form pool of nodes and links
In building a particular app using OpenCog, one can opt to build in
hierarchies and frames and such (via creating XML files containing appropriate
nodes/links and importing them) or one can start from a blank slate and let the
whole structure emerge as it will...
Ben G
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ben,
Some questions then.
You don't have any spaces or frames as such within your systems? (what
terms would you use/prefer here BTW?) Everything is potentially connected to
everything else? Perhaps you can give some example from say your
pet-in-a-virtual-world (or anything else). It doesn't have a frame say re
"fetching", or some other activity? How can it connect, as you can connect on
the Web, from say the domain of fetching and balls to any other domain ? Like
hide-and-seek? Or conversation? (Or, on the Web itself, to planets in a solar
system).
It won't have ordered hierarchies, say, re "animals" ("...mammals...humans"
etc?
Another feature of the webs vs nets distinction. Webs it seems to me are
*multi-domain* of their very nature. .( A domain, for me, consists of a set of
elements which behave according to consistent rules - e.g. chess pieces which
move in set ways on a board).So webs are composed of diverse and often
contradictory domains and rules. Your sex web, for example, will have a whole
variety of domains, religious, literary, different moralities, etiquette,
fashion, pornographic, fantasy etc offering contradictory rules about whom you
can and can't have sex with, and how, and when - and for what reasons Ditto our
language webs consist of radically conflicting rules about how we can and can't
speak, construct sentences, use words, spell, mix different conventions,
accents, tones etc. etc. Do your spaces/domains exist similarly with
conflicting rules? You don't need to keep updating them for consistency? Your
system can, for example, survive with conflicting rules of logic - Nars-ian and
PLN - as your own brain can?
I suspect IOW there *are* important distinctions to be drawn & explored
here. And my first attempt here may be rather like my first attempt at defining
programs a long time ago, which failed to distinguish between sequences and
structures of instructions - and was then pounced on by AI-ers.
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
As I understand the way you guys and AI generally work, you create
well-organized spaces which your programs can systematically search for
options. Let's call them "nets" - which have systematic, well-defined and
orderly-laid-out connections between nodes.
That is simply incorrect ... the connections between
nodes/terms/concepts/whatever are chaotic and self-organized and disorderly,
within OpenCogPrime, NARS, or any of a load of other AGI systems.
And then you have some cognitive processes that try to build order out of
the chaos and create links imposing some fragmentary order ... which won't last
long unless actively maintained [roughly: as some folks build directories of
parts of the Web...]
There is a large body of study of the connection statistics of large
networks, and some (but less) study of the dynamics of connection stats in
large networks.
-- Ben G
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