Matt Mahoney wrote:
--- On Mon, 11/10/08, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Do you agree that there is no test to distinguish a
conscious human from a philosophical zombie, thus no way to
establish whether zombies exist?

Disagree.

What test would you use?

The test will be published in the next couple of months in the Open AI journal. = An objective test for "scientific behaviour". I call it the 'PCST' for P-Conscious Scientist Test.

You can't be a scientist without being visually P-conscious to experience your evidence. You can't deny the test without declaring scientists devoid of consciousness whilst demanding it be used for all scientific evidence in a verifiable way AND whilst investing in an entire science paradigm "Neural Correlates of Consciousness" dedicated to scientific exploration of P-consciousness....The logic's pretty good and it's easy to design an objective test demanding delivery of a 'law of nature'. The execution, however, is logistically difficult++. BUT...At least it's doable. A hard test is better than no test at all, which is what we currently have.
When it comes out I'll let you know.

RE ETHICS......I say this in the paper:

"As was recognised by Gamez [35], one cannot help but notice that there is also a secondary ethical 'bootstrap' process. Once a single subject passes the PCST, for the first time ever in certain circumstances there will be a valid scientific reason obliging all scientists to consider the internal life of an artefact as potentially having some level of equivalence to that of a laboratory animal, possibly deserving of similar ethical treatment. Until that event occurs, however, all such discussions are best considered moot."

cheers
colin




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