Ben,
It's your list, so you get to decide what is off topic. Are you implying all discussion of subjectively describable aspect of human conscious experience is off topic? At least in my own experience, thinking about introspective subjective experiences has played a major role in my thinking about AGI. Thus, I tend to have a bias toward thinking discussions of such thinking are relevant to AGI. If p-consciousness, such as discussed in Richard's paper, is relevant to AGI, then why isn't a-consciousness? Or, perhaps, your implication about what is off topic was more narrow? That is what I assumed, and that is why, in the post you responding to below, I was asking if there were any describable non-entheogenic aspects of the ego-loss experience, other than what I had already described. Ed Porter -----Original Message----- From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 4:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness Goodness.. I feel like a) it is mighty hard to draw distinctions about these kinds of experiences in ordinary, informal language... b) this is kinda off topic for the list ;-) ben On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Eric, > > > > If, as your post below implies, you have experienced "ego loss," --- please > tell me --- how, if at all, was it different than the sense of oneness with > the surround world that I described in my post of Fri 11/21/2008 8:02 PM > which started this named thread. > > > > That is, how was it different than merely having, for an extended period of > time, a oneness with sensual experience of the computational richness of > external reality around (or perhaps of just ones breathing and feelings it > engenders) --- a oneness uninterrupted by awareness of oneself as a > something separate from such sensations or by the chattering of the chatbot > most of us have inside our heads --- other than for the standard effects on > sensations and emotions one would routinely associate with being > entheogenned. > > > > Ed Porter > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Burton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:40 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of > consciousness > > > > Hey, ego loss is attendant with even modest doses of LSD or > > psilocybin. At ~ 700 mics I found that effect to be very much > > background > > > > On 11/21/08, Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Ben, > >> > >> "Entheogens!" > >> > >> What a great word/euphemism. > >> > >> Is it pronounced like "Inns" (where travelers sleep) + "Theo" (short for > >> "Theodore") + "gins"(a subset of liquors I normally avoid like the plague, > >> except in the occasional summer gin and tonic with lime)? > >> > >> What is the respective emphasis given to each of these three parts in the > >> proper pronunciations. > >> > >> It is a word that would be deeply appreciated by many at my local >> Unitarian > >> Church. > >> > >> Ed Porter > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:11 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of > >> consciousness > >> > >>> When I was in college and LSD was the rage, one of the main goals of the > >>> heavy duty heads was "ego loss" which was to achieve a sense of cosmic > >>> oneness with all of the universe. It was commonly stated that 1000 > >>> micrograms was the ticket to "ego loss." I never went there. Nor have I > >>> ever achieved cosmic oneness through meditation, although I have achieved > >>> temporary (say fifteen or thirty seconds) feeling of deep peaceful bliss. > >>> > >>> Perhaps you have been more brave (acid wise) or much lucky or disciplined > >>> meditation wise, and have achieve a seen of oneness with the cosmic > >>> consciousness. If so, I tip my hat (and Colbert wag of the finger) to > >> you. > >> > >> Not a great topic for public mailing list discussion but .. uh .. yah . > >> > >> But it's not really so much about the dosage ... entheogens are tools > >> and it's all about what you do with them ;-) > >> > >> ben > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------- > >> agi > >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > >> Modify Your Subscription: > >> https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > >> > >> > > > > ________________________________ > agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription -- Ben Goertzel, PhD CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC Director of Research, SIAI [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The empires of the future are the empires of the mind." -- Sir Winston Churchill ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=120640061-aded06 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
