Eric,
You have made a series of fantastic allegations, and I asked what evidence you had for them, and all you provide is that you have experienced them while under the influence of drugs. I hope --- for your sake --- that for at least some percent of your weekly existence you are sober enough to be capable of understanding how unpersuasive that is --- and why. I understand that you might experience many of the things you say in the theater of your own mind, particularly when under the influence. And I understand that experiences in that theater are real in a meaningful sense. But that in no way means your statements are correct descriptions of external reality, as many of your statements would appear to claim to be. And you have provided no evidence, other than drug induced experience within your own mind, that they are. Ed Porter -----Original Message----- From: Eric Burton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 8:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [agi] If aliens are monitoring us, our development of AGI might concern them Thoughts are surely a subset of felt experience. The contact experiences reliably induced by committed doses of for instance psilocibin are objective, not subjective events! They are breaches in consensus reality, they mutate it. I don't know the source of the information I've received when bemushroomed. It could be aeons old and delivered by panspermia. Much of it is presented with great gravity. The experince could easily be a disorienting allergic response evolved on Earth to discourage predation. But that does not explain the intimate Other that appears in the head to take great glee in the interface! It does not explain the reams of art, the many and varied vistas and plateaus, and the challenges one encounters in the psilocibin trance. Either it is offering us all this or it is generated by the brain. Why then is this uniquely characteristic hallucinosis particular to the ingestion of this specific substance? You can read for yourself on the effects I'm describing. But none of this feeds into anyone's theory of mind until we can trap and trace the experiences in question. It is probably quantum. On 11/26/08, Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What evidence, other than your thoughts when using drugs, do you have for > such statements? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Burton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:22 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [agi] If aliens are monitoring us, our development of AGI might > concern them > > What I want to emphasize is that our world is bathed in signals from > superintelligent civilizations every day. The way you can put an > antenna into the ground and use the Earth to conduct radio > frequencies, these things are using the organization of space and > time. The laws of physics and the cosmological constants that inform > them may arise from the content of communication and computation being > performed at the psycho-atomic level, where mind manifests in quark > form! > > What could possibly concern such a superior race! > > > On 11/26/08, Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Translate into English, please. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bob Mottram [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:35 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [agi] If aliens are monitoring us, our development of AGI > might >> concern them >> >> 2008/11/26 Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> I have never experienced a UFO, but several people I have known and >>> generally trusted, and who are not drug users or wackos, have claimed to >>> have seen them directly. >> >> >> belief (Y, foo) >> belief (X, credibility (Y) > minimum credibility (X)) || dominance >> heirachy (Y) > dominance heirachy (X) >> meme strength (X, Y) > threshold >> => belief (X, foo) >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> agi >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ >> Modify Your Subscription: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> agi >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ >> Modify Your Subscription: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> > > > ------------------------------------------- > agi > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > > ------------------------------------------- > agi > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=120640061-aded06 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
