On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:42 PM, Philip Hunt <cabala...@googlemail.com>wrote:
> 2008/12/20 Ben Goertzel <b...@goertzel.org>: > > > > I.e., I doubt one needs serious fluid dynamics in one's simulation ... I > > doubt one needs bodies with detailed internal musculature ... but I think > > one does need basic Newtonian physics and the ability to use tools, break > > things in half (but not necessarily realistic cracking behavior), balance > > things and carry them and stack them and push them together Lego-like and > so > > forth... > > "Needs" for what purpose? I can see three uses for a virtual world: > > 1. to mimic the real world accurately enough that the AI can use the > virtual world instead, and by using it become proficient in dealing > with the real world, because it is cheaper than a real world. > Obviously to program a virtual world this real is a big up-front > investment, but once the investment is made, such a world may well be > cheaper and easier to use than our real one. I think this will come along as a side-effect of achieving the other goals, to some extent. But it's not my main goal, no. > > > 2. to provide a useful bridge between humans and the AGI, i.e. the > virtual world will be similar enough to the real world that humans > will have a common frame of reference with the AGI. > Yes... to allow the AGI to develop progressively greater intelligence in a manner that humans can easily comprehend, so that we can easily participate and encourage its growth (via teaching and via code changes, knowledge entry, etc.) > > 3. to provide a "toy domain" for the AI to think about and become > proficient in. Not just to become proficient in the domain, but become proficient in general humanlike cognitive processes. The point of a preschool is that it's designed to present all important adult human cognitive processes in simplified forms. > (Of course there's no reason why a toy domain needs to > be anything like a virtual world, it could for example be a "software > modality" that can see/understand source code as easily and fluently > as humans interprete visual input.) > > AIUI you're mostly thinking in terms of 2 or 3. Fair comment? > > -- > Philip Hunt, <cabala...@googlemail.com> > Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. > See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > > > ------------------------------------------- > agi > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > -- Ben Goertzel, PhD CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC Director of Research, SIAI b...@goertzel.org "I intend to live forever, or die trying." -- Groucho Marx ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=123753653-47f84b Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
