On 30 June 2013 18:14, Fool <fool1...@gmail.com> wrote: > Agoran CFJs take days or weeks. In XX it was 24 hours, and people were > online at different times. In some cases it seemed like people were cranking > out these fairly long well-reasoned monologues out on the fly. I guess that > comes with experience or something? I AM NOT WORTHY.
Having played for a few years, I still find some of the discussion surrounding controversial CFJs intimidating. To be sure, playing nomic is excellent training in this kind of logical-legal-philosophic thinking. But do any more experienced players want to cite some source of their knowledge? Surely Suber's "The Paradox of Self-Amendment" and Hofstadter's "Metamagical Themas" would be at the top of such a list. Lots of players have programming skills and I think that's another excellent way to train the mind to think like a nomic player, although more on the logical side than the legal one. > There was some talk of legalism/logicism or idealism/pragmatism. Maybe > relative to the group I'm very far off one end of these scales. I also > expect the question of _objectives_ made a big difference. On the last turn, > a fairly large coalition simply voted themselves joint winners. I'm curious > _when_ did this coalition form? And generally, to what extent were people > trying to win? As soon as I realised that I was in the lead points-wise, I was overcome with the need to maintain that lead; suddenly all other considerations were unimportant. So yeah, I guess I was trying to win. I suppose that's more of a psychological lesson than a legal one, though. People like shiny prizes. I think the old-timer's cabal was assembled quite early on, but obviously they can tell you more about that. > As to the ruleset itself: I don't think I have anything new to say about the > technical issues. On the higher-level end, I don't care much for win by > paradox. And maybe the biggest bug is majority rules. Maybe not so good when > things get really competitive. To be sure, these are opinions I held before > the game started, and likely are minority opinions. Well, I don't particularly care about Win by Paradox (it depends if the game ends when someone wins as to whether I would repeal it) and I'm a fan of supermajorities, as is modern Agora. Again, thanks for all your efforts. -- Walker
