From: "Izan Gill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I'd be very interested to see the rationale for supine only. I get 
rather a lot of 
"routine" erect/ supine AXRs with CXR and would like some way of 
cutting back,with 
literature (not necessarily from textbooks) to back this up. I've heard 
this viewpoint 
before.

For shaky/ frail patients I used always sit them with their back to the 
erect bucky, 
(provided they could sit up that is) and do an erect film that way. 
The thighs did tend 
to get in the way a little, but it worked well. However, where I work 
now, the tube 
does not come low enough to do that. So it's either risk standing the 
patient up or a 
decubitus.

Izan GiIl

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 From: "Rita Richter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Very valid point about the radiation dose with the extra erect abdo 
film.

Does that mean therefore that most places do only a supine film 
and AP chest
in the bed?


Rita

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 From: "Fraser Levey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Interesting point from a radiation safety perspective too. Many UK 
hospitals
do not routinely perform Erect Abdomens as they are seen as 
clinically irrelevant.
Most pathology demonstrated is either clinically obvious or 
radiologically 
ambiguous.

The elimination of such examinations would reduce a patients skin 
entrance
dose by about 3.5 mGy, which is a fair old amount, which equates 
to about 35 PA
chest exposures worth of radiation.

This, combined with the far greater risk of patients keeling over, 
would
make me wish to  ensure that the referral is justified before 
exposing patients.

Fraser.
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From: "Garry Cain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

do you really need an erect abdo at all. we have one radiologist that
insists we do not. Is it then possible to eliminate this exam and thus
the risk (we haven't been able to eliminate due to referral base and
other radiologists non acceptance)




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