Odd. Now you've got me scratching my head when I should be sleeping. I imagine any weird booster failure mode that might occur would not be improved by pumping the pedal so it's got to be in the hydraulics. Which is to say that it's got to be a leak or trapped air. Is it possible that a flex hose is trapping air in a weird way? You're sure it's not leaking out the back of the bias block, under the rubber cap? Does each caliper clamp down its respective disc when you apply the brakes?

-Joe


At 3:21 PM +0000 6/2/10, alfa-digest wrote:
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 08:21:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Shorey <[email protected]>
Subject: [alfa] Strange braking problem

Hey All,

We're having a strange braking problem with our LeMons car that has me scratching my head. Here's the history and symptoms:

The car is a Verde, however we've removed the ABS and replaced it with a stock non-ABS Milano system. Ran the car for three races, the brakes have always worked fine, but felt a little mushy. Noticed that the fluid in the reservoir had drained out over the winter, put 2 and 2 together and made the blind (and apparently wrong) assumption that the MC was bad, so replaced it with a new one, but didn't test.

Later, observed a leaking rear caliper, so did away with the rear calipers and replace them with Spider rear calipers.

Bled the system a zillion times, including at every possible junction coming out of the MC and bias block, we're confident that there is no air in it, anywhere.

Now, we have decent brakes if we pump the pedal, however if we let it sit, then press the pedal, it goes to the floor with some, but very little, resistance.

With the car running and vacuum to the booster, everything is the same except the pedal feels mushy..

Replaced the MC with a used one I had lying around (we'd already tossed the original), and the symptoms are the exact same.

There are no hydraulic leaks in the system anywhere, we're quite confident of that, and we're also confident we've got all the air out of the system.

Tried vacuum testing the booster, vacuum goes to 0 as soon as we press the brake pedal (MityVac manual says it should drop about 6"). However, we tried another booster I've got lying around and it did the same thing.

My question is this - is there anything internal to the booster that could cause the problems we're observing? Every bit of experience I've got tells me that if there is no air in the system, and no leaks, then a sinking pedal is the MC. But we're on MC #3 now, and one of them was new.

Changing the booster is not fun in these cars, especially with a cage and seat in there, so we'd rather not go that route unless we're sure.

Any input or advice will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

bs
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