Eventual Alfa content:

Both power front windows have been increasingly slow when lowering on my Volvo
S80 daily driver.  Worse, the windows will stick in sub-freezing weather after
the first 1" or so of descent, but can make it "over the hump" (or "down the
hump?)" with a little manual assistance, though they are curiously less
problematic going back up.

I tried running a few drops of "Finish Line Dry Teflon Lube" down each channel
of the driver's window.  This stuff is packaged and sold for bicycle chains
etc. with a claim of "attracting less grime", and most importantly for its
suitability to this application, I already had it. :)   The treated window is
now about 15% faster than the passenger side, and with less variation in
speed.  This may prove to be just short-term
 relief, however.

I imagine the root causes are just as Micheal, Will and others have said, but
I will report back on how well this band-aid works (if at all) over the longer
term at least on a non-Alfa.

- - Albert

P.S.  re: roll call: I've been a lurker (usually) on the digest since 1994 in
the italian-cars-digest days.  Advice from Fred DiMatteo and others let me
keep both my Alfa and my marriage...


--- On Tue, 1/3/12, Micheal Tedder <[email protected]> wrote:

From: Micheal Tedder <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [alfa] lube for slow windows?
To: "The Baylys" <[email protected]>, "'alfa'" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 9:33 PM

In my experience no amount of lube will overcome the weak motors. As a friend
once told me... Just be grateful that they
 close.

Micheal Tedder

83,84 & 85 GTV 6...among others

The Baylys <[email protected]> wrote:

>'Lubing' the channels/felts can provide gains but only if you use a proper
>dry lubricant.  By this I mean nothing which stays wet, greasy, tacky or
>waxy.  Those dry lube stocks won't do, and a lot of silicone sprays stay
>wet.
>
>You need to use a spray lube which dries COMPLETELY. Something such as a dry
>silicone or PFTE spray.  Graphite works, but has obvious disadvantages.
>
>Make certain you test it on something first (preferably cloth to simulate
>window felts) to confirm it won't add drag/friction and make things worse.
>
>You also need to ensure the door frames are adjusted to provide enough
>clearance for the glass, but not so
 much that the glass can kick off and
>jam/drag.
>
>When you have the stock system as good as it can be, it will be average at
>best................   ;-)
>
>Beatle
>Oz
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Will
>Owen
>Sent: Monday, 2 January 2012 8:30 AM
>To: alfa
>Subject: Re : [alfa] lube for slow windows?
>
>Stevan -
>
>My Milano windows got painfully slow a couple of years back, and I
>thought some kind of lubrication on the tracks was needed, so I asked
>the guys at Alfa Only. They said No, that wasn't it, and proceeded to
>remove the door trim panels and then spray-lubed
 the regulator
>mechanisms, after which they worked just fine. Now, removing those
>panels is a real PITA if you don't do it enough to get good at it, and
>now I'm back down to one crawler and one immobile (I think the switch
>expired, and they're NLA!!). But I know what to do when I finally get
>around to it, and greasing the channels ain't it.
>
>Will Owen
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