Hi! Now you’re quite clear and i also ask this sometimes in my mind. But you know that gadgets are fun and i guess that’s the reason to buy one. I have both an android phone and an Iphone Se just because i am interested in both systems. And to be honest i think the Iphone does a better job with my B&W p7 than my Nokia which is a bit dissappointing but that’s how things are. I will get me a small mobile dac maybe next week. /A
> 13 juni 2018 kl. 01:23 skrev Aman Singer <[email protected]>: > > Hi Anders, > > You write: > > I think there was someone on the Eyes-free list mentioning a pioneer player > with android. > > I perfectly understand that they exist, my question was more why they > existed or, more accurately, why anyone would want to use one rather than > just buying a used phone and running it as a media player. I looked at the > audio reasoning and didn't think it made sense, and I looked at the control > surface reasoning and, again, didn't see a problem with just using a BT > remote or a wired control system, so I was just asking out of curiosity, why > would anyone want a specialized media player? Sorry if I wasn't clear. > Aman > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anders > Holmberg > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 12:20 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. > > Hi Aman! > I think there was someone on the Eyes-free list mentioning a pioneer player > with android. > I am not sure i have the message saved where he is talking about it. > You might search the archives on googlegroups. > Myself am using my Nokia 8 as a phone and media player and it works like a > charm. > Though i use the apple music app and it does not have the chromecast support > which annoys me a bit. > Though i think Iphone is easier to use or Ios is easier to use. > But i don’t want to have 2 devices with me when i am out and about so i have > to use the Android and we will see what will happen in coming updates to > Android P. > /A > >> 12 juni 2018 kl. 01:07 skrev Aman Singer <[email protected]>: >> >> Hi Dane, >> >> I agree, it's definitely worth talking about. There is one thing I >> don't quite understand, though, in your message. You write: >> >> A good Android Media player with accessibility or that could be made >> accessible is highly desireable >> >> I am obviously missing something, but why? It seems to me an android >> media player offers no advantage over a standard android device with a good >> DAC connected via USB and some sort of control surface suitable for the >> user. If I may ask, why bother with something specialized? Why not get an >> ordinary Android device and make a media player yourself? If it's because >> of sound, there are things like USB audio player. If it's because of >> control, as I said, there are both Bluetooth and wired control methods. I >> don't see any other reason for such a player, though there must be one since >> people here want it. I'd like to know why. >> Aman >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> Dane Trethowan >> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 6:49 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >> >> No need for apologies as this discussion is perhaps one of the best we've >> had for a while though its probably going off topic a little bit as good >> discussions can some times to. >> A good Android Media player with accessibility or that could be made >> accessible is highly desireable but as yet no one has put their finger on >> where we may find one so - as I've said - the whole idea would just seem a >> waste of time which is unfortunate. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Aman >> Singer >> Sent: Monday, 11 June 2018 4:46 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >> >> Hi Dane and all, >> >> I apologise if I came across as taking sides in the annoying war >> between Android and iOS. I have no loyalty to any technology or company, I >> use both systems and dislike both. I would respectfully say that Apple's >> accessibility has not so much taken steps backwards but, and I particularly >> refer to braille, jumped backwards over the edge of a cliff. I also agree >> with you, Google has come a long way in terms of access. However, they had a >> very long way to go to bring their accessibility to a usable state. The old >> example, of a student who scored ten percent and then scored sixty percent >> three months later is relevant. Yes, he has come a long way, but he's still >> not a good student. Google is very much in that position. You're quite right >> to say that many of the issues are usability ones and have workarounds, but >> I have reached the point where I wonder why blind users are supposed to >> suffer through using workarounds if other people don't. I may also say that >> for those of us with hearing impairments a good many of Google's workarounds >> simply don't work. >> To get back to media players, I understand the perfectly reasonable >> desire for decent sound for those who can benefit from it. I share the >> desire for physical controls. I would be tempted, though, to focus on sound >> production and physical controls on their own. Keep in mind that, with >> tasker and autoinput, you can even use a wired keypad to provide physical >> controls to a device with USB OTG. You need not use Bluetooth. As I said, it >> may also be possible to use a USB device with a DAC to produce better sound >> than whatever manufacturers of phones/tablets start with. Finally, if your >> desire is for physical controls and better sound reproduction, it may be >> worth looking at the single board machines we discussed here earlier. These >> can often run Linux and support for physical controls and DACs is more >> developed on that platform than on Android. Basically, I'm suggesting that, >> besides the many detriments you list below, Dane, there are no, or at least >> not many, benefits to using a specialized Android media player. In most >> cases, any benefits can be obtained more easily in a different way. >> Aman >> >> >> >> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >> >> Es you may say so <smile> >> From the start of this thread I’ve been emphasising that accessibility for >> Android Media Players just isn’t on the radar for several reasons. >> Firstly Android is absolutely open to developers thus they can use whatever >> version of Android they like and customise Android to what suits their >> product thus its more than likely that portable Media Players will be >> running say Android 3 or earlier. >> Android 3 was pretty awful when it came to accessibility and nothing much >> really happened with accessibility until Android 5 when things improved out >> of sight - just my opinion through experience -. >> Secondly with Media Players who knows what sort of interface you’re going to >> get, a touch screen? A wheel that just keeps spinning? A control strip? This >> obviously complicates accessibility even further. >> And third who knows with a Media Player if you’re able to install extra Apps >> which you may need to do to make the player accessible. >> Some Media Players lend themselves to further customisation whereas others >> are closed. >> Some have processors that just aren’t powerful enough to handle too many >> extra Apps or have a limited amount of RAM. >> So here we are back at point A again, looking for that accessible portable >> music player with Android could be a huge waste of time unless you know of >> some specific machine that’s running preferably the latest version of >> Android, that has quite a bit of RAM - 1GB at the very minimum I’d reckon - >> and has or will allow you to go to the Google Play store or give you access >> to the system to install Google Talkback. >> Does this sound like a Mobile Phone or tablet? >> As far as Google and accessibility? Well nothing is perfect and I’m not >> defending Google over anyone else. >> Some may argue that Apple with accessibility may have gone backwards with >> IOS but that’s another discussion for another list perhaps. >> I believe that Google have come a long way with Android to the point where >> its certainly good enough for use with the general public. >> Yes like everything else there are a few issues but they’re usability more >> than accessibility and there are workarounds. >> >> >>> On 10 Jun 2018, at 6:36 am, Aman Singer <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Dane and all, >>> >>> There is, if I may say so, a deep problem with Android accessibility, >>> in my view. First, Google is obviously running this as a boxchecking >>> exercise, and that lack of interest spreads throughout all Android >>> products. There are, of course, devices which are better than others in >>> accessibility, but even the best aren't as accessible as they could be, and >>> there are some which are absolutely hopeless. I suspect, as I think you do, >>> that some of the media players will be the hopeless ones. One of the >>> saddest accessibility stories in the past thirty years, for the blind and >>> deafblind at least, has been Android. There was a huge amount of potential >>> and it has been wasted. The reasons for the waste are debatable, the fact >>> of the waste is, I think, not debatable at all. Things could have been done >>> much better, they weren't. >>> Aman >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>> Dane Trethowan >>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 7:19 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>> >>> Yep a fair suggestion. >>> Of course all this depends on how accessible the portable Android media >>> player is or can be made to be which is the 40 million dollar question but >>> to me to be perfectly honest its all a lot of mucking around and for what? >>> I mentioned I have a Sony xPeria X-Performance, they're old hack as far as >>> phones go now so why not pick yourself up one of these for a bargain price >>> if you still can and.. well.. work from there. >>> Yep, add the Bluetooth control you're talking about, have full >>> accessibility with your choice of music player, stream to other devices in >>> your house along with Bluetooth speakers, enjoy high quality sound through >>> your headphones, amazing battery life etc. >>> From what I've seen thus far of portable Android music players >>> accessibility is just a pure waste of time in the main. >>> Always happy to be proved wrong of course. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Aman >>> Singer >>> Sent: Friday, 8 June 2018 9:12 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I realize this is perilously close to heresy, but I detest touch >>> screens and sympathise with any desire for physical buttons. If I may ask, >>> though, why not use a Bluetooth remote which has such buttons? See, just >>> for example >>> https://satechi.net/products/satechi-bluetooth-multi-media-remote >>> You can get the best, more or less, of both worlds, physical buttons >>> and a generally available, non-premium-priced, Android media player. As for >>> the audio quality, I'm not the person to talk about that but it does seem >>> to be possible to plug a USB DAC into some Android devices. >>> HTH, >>> Aman >>> >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>> Anders Holmberg >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 5:29 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>> >>> Hi! >>> Yes that’s a truth for sure. >>> I was just thinking of if there were other functions that the phone didn’t >>> have. >>> For example physical buttons for play and stop and such, even though its >>> not hard to stop and play from the touch screen. >>> Also i am a bit dissapointed about the audio from the nokia 8 i have. >>> Its good via bluetooth but the 3.5 mm jack could have been better on such a >>> device. >>> THe Iphone SE i have is far better there in my opinion. >>> /A >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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