Hi Aman! I think there was someone on the Eyes-free list mentioning a pioneer player with android. I am not sure i have the message saved where he is talking about it. You might search the archives on googlegroups. Myself am using my Nokia 8 as a phone and media player and it works like a charm. Though i use the apple music app and it does not have the chromecast support which annoys me a bit. Though i think Iphone is easier to use or Ios is easier to use. But i don’t want to have 2 devices with me when i am out and about so i have to use the Android and we will see what will happen in coming updates to Android P. /A
> 12 juni 2018 kl. 01:07 skrev Aman Singer <aman.sin...@gmail.com>: > > Hi Dane, > > I agree, it's definitely worth talking about. There is one thing I > don't quite understand, though, in your message. You write: > > A good Android Media player with accessibility or that could be made > accessible is highly desireable > > I am obviously missing something, but why? It seems to me an android > media player offers no advantage over a standard android device with a good > DAC connected via USB and some sort of control surface suitable for the user. > If I may ask, why bother with something specialized? Why not get an ordinary > Android device and make a media player yourself? If it's because of sound, > there are things like USB audio player. If it's because of control, as I > said, there are both Bluetooth and wired control methods. I don't see any > other reason for such a player, though there must be one since people here > want it. I'd like to know why. > Aman > From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dane > Trethowan > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 6:49 PM > To: all-audio@groups.io > Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. > > No need for apologies as this discussion is perhaps one of the best we've had > for a while though its probably going off topic a little bit as good > discussions can some times to. > A good Android Media player with accessibility or that could be made > accessible is highly desireable but as yet no one has put their finger on > where we may find one so - as I've said - the whole idea would just seem a > waste of time which is unfortunate. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Aman Singer > Sent: Monday, 11 June 2018 4:46 AM > To: all-audio@groups.io > Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. > > Hi Dane and all, > > I apologise if I came across as taking sides in the annoying war > between Android and iOS. I have no loyalty to any technology or company, I > use both systems and dislike both. I would respectfully say that Apple's > accessibility has not so much taken steps backwards but, and I particularly > refer to braille, jumped backwards over the edge of a cliff. I also agree > with you, Google has come a long way in terms of access. However, they had a > very long way to go to bring their accessibility to a usable state. The old > example, of a student who scored ten percent and then scored sixty percent > three months later is relevant. Yes, he has come a long way, but he's still > not a good student. Google is very much in that position. You're quite right > to say that many of the issues are usability ones and have workarounds, but I > have reached the point where I wonder why blind users are supposed to suffer > through using workarounds if other people don't. I may also say that for > those of us with hearing impairments a good many of Google's workarounds > simply don't work. > To get back to media players, I understand the perfectly reasonable > desire for decent sound for those who can benefit from it. I share the desire > for physical controls. I would be tempted, though, to focus on sound > production and physical controls on their own. Keep in mind that, with tasker > and autoinput, you can even use a wired keypad to provide physical controls > to a device with USB OTG. You need not use Bluetooth. As I said, it may also > be possible to use a USB device with a DAC to produce better sound than > whatever manufacturers of phones/tablets start with. Finally, if your desire > is for physical controls and better sound reproduction, it may be worth > looking at the single board machines we discussed here earlier. These can > often run Linux and support for physical controls and DACs is more developed > on that platform than on Android. Basically, I'm suggesting that, besides the > many detriments you list below, Dane, there are no, or at least not many, > benefits to using a specialized Android media player. In most cases, any > benefits can be obtained more easily in a different way. > Aman > > > > > To: all-audio@groups.io > Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. > > Es you may say so <smile> > From the start of this thread I’ve been emphasising that accessibility for > Android Media Players just isn’t on the radar for several reasons. > Firstly Android is absolutely open to developers thus they can use whatever > version of Android they like and customise Android to what suits their > product thus its more than likely that portable Media Players will be running > say Android 3 or earlier. > Android 3 was pretty awful when it came to accessibility and nothing much > really happened with accessibility until Android 5 when things improved out > of sight - just my opinion through experience -. > Secondly with Media Players who knows what sort of interface you’re going to > get, a touch screen? A wheel that just keeps spinning? A control strip? This > obviously complicates accessibility even further. > And third who knows with a Media Player if you’re able to install extra Apps > which you may need to do to make the player accessible. > Some Media Players lend themselves to further customisation whereas others > are closed. > Some have processors that just aren’t powerful enough to handle too many > extra Apps or have a limited amount of RAM. > So here we are back at point A again, looking for that accessible portable > music player with Android could be a huge waste of time unless you know of > some specific machine that’s running preferably the latest version of > Android, that has quite a bit of RAM - 1GB at the very minimum I’d reckon - > and has or will allow you to go to the Google Play store or give you access > to the system to install Google Talkback. > Does this sound like a Mobile Phone or tablet? > As far as Google and accessibility? Well nothing is perfect and I’m not > defending Google over anyone else. > Some may argue that Apple with accessibility may have gone backwards with IOS > but that’s another discussion for another list perhaps. > I believe that Google have come a long way with Android to the point where > its certainly good enough for use with the general public. > Yes like everything else there are a few issues but they’re usability more > than accessibility and there are workarounds. > > >> On 10 Jun 2018, at 6:36 am, Aman Singer <aman.sin...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Dane and all, >> >> There is, if I may say so, a deep problem with Android accessibility, >> in my view. First, Google is obviously running this as a boxchecking >> exercise, and that lack of interest spreads throughout all Android products. >> There are, of course, devices which are better than others in accessibility, >> but even the best aren't as accessible as they could be, and there are some >> which are absolutely hopeless. I suspect, as I think you do, that some of >> the media players will be the hopeless ones. One of the saddest >> accessibility stories in the past thirty years, for the blind and deafblind >> at least, has been Android. There was a huge amount of potential and it has >> been wasted. The reasons for the waste are debatable, the fact of the waste >> is, I think, not debatable at all. Things could have been done much better, >> they weren't. >> Aman >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of >> Dane Trethowan >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 7:19 AM >> To: all-audio@groups.io >> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >> >> Yep a fair suggestion. >> Of course all this depends on how accessible the portable Android media >> player is or can be made to be which is the 40 million dollar question but >> to me to be perfectly honest its all a lot of mucking around and for what? >> I mentioned I have a Sony xPeria X-Performance, they're old hack as far as >> phones go now so why not pick yourself up one of these for a bargain price >> if you still can and.. well.. work from there. >> Yep, add the Bluetooth control you're talking about, have full accessibility >> with your choice of music player, stream to other devices in your house >> along with Bluetooth speakers, enjoy high quality sound through your >> headphones, amazing battery life etc. >> From what I've seen thus far of portable Android music players accessibility >> is just a pure waste of time in the main. >> Always happy to be proved wrong of course. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Aman >> Singer >> Sent: Friday, 8 June 2018 9:12 PM >> To: all-audio@groups.io >> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >> >> Hi, >> >> I realize this is perilously close to heresy, but I detest touch >> screens and sympathise with any desire for physical buttons. If I may ask, >> though, why not use a Bluetooth remote which has such buttons? See, just for >> example https://satechi.net/products/satechi-bluetooth-multi-media-remote >> You can get the best, more or less, of both worlds, physical buttons >> and a generally available, non-premium-priced, Android media player. As for >> the audio quality, I'm not the person to talk about that but it does seem to >> be possible to plug a USB DAC into some Android devices. >> HTH, >> Aman >> >> From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of >> Anders Holmberg >> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 5:29 AM >> To: all-audio@groups.io >> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >> >> Hi! >> Yes that’s a truth for sure. >> I was just thinking of if there were other functions that the phone didn’t >> have. >> For example physical buttons for play and stop and such, even though its not >> hard to stop and play from the touch screen. >> Also i am a bit dissapointed about the audio from the nokia 8 i have. >> Its good via bluetooth but the 3.5 mm jack could have been better on such a >> device. >> THe Iphone SE i have is far better there in my opinion. >> /A >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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