Hi! I still am at my Ipad mini 4 and have an Ipad mini 3 too. I will have to go look at the Ipad pro as its a very big device if you compare it with the ipad mini. /A
> 16 juni 2018 kl. 07:45 skrev Dane Trethowan <[email protected]>: > > Hi! > If you're looking for a tablet with good sound then I have a few suggestions. > I'm not suggesting the Microsoft Surface because I've never tried one. > If you like your Windows 10 then you'll really love the Samsung Galaxy Book > 12. > I've had one of these now for 8 months and - once again - Samsung have show > us what they know about speaker technology which seems to be a lot, this > tablet is one of the best I've heard for sound quality through its internal > speakers. > The tablet features built-in microphones and they record quite well though > I've only tried Voice Recorder fo this, quality was very good for a Voice > Recorder. > If you want to use another recording device then the Galaxybook 12 has 2 > USB-C ports on the right and please note that the model down only has 1 USB-C > port. > The Headphones socket is a standard 3.5MM minijack and not a combo socket. > The Samsung Galaxy Book 12 has 8GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD so its quite fast. > I've tried audio recording for an external sound device and had no problems. > Another tablet that sticks out for its quality of sound is the Apple iPad > Pro, I owned the First Generation iPad and plan to by the new current third > when I'm able as its supposed to sound quite a lot better than the first gen, > if that's the case then the third gen ought to be absolutely brilliant. > The iPad Pro has 4 speakers so this obviously adds to the stunning sound. > The iPad Pro is an IOS device so it can't run Windows obviously but IOS is > shown at its absolute best and in my view it seems to fit the iPad pro rather > than an iPhone, iPad Mini etc as the iPad Pro - and this is the first > generation we're talking about - is incredibly responsive under the latest IS. > So 2 options to consider if you're looking to get into Tablet computing and > these are 2 options with excellent sound and excellent specs to boot. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg > Sent: Saturday, 16 June 2018 12:08 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. > > Hi! > Now you’re quite clear and i also ask this sometimes in my mind. > But you know that gadgets are fun and i guess that’s the reason to buy one. > I have both an android phone and an Iphone Se just because i am interested in > both systems. > And to be honest i think the Iphone does a better job with my B&W p7 than my > Nokia which is a bit dissappointing but that’s how things are. > I will get me a small mobile dac maybe next week. > /A > >> 13 juni 2018 kl. 01:23 skrev Aman Singer <[email protected]>: >> >> Hi Anders, >> >> You write: >> >> I think there was someone on the Eyes-free list mentioning a pioneer >> player with android. >> >> I perfectly understand that they exist, my question was more why they >> existed or, more accurately, why anyone would want to use one rather >> than just buying a used phone and running it as a media player. I >> looked at the audio reasoning and didn't think it made sense, and I >> looked at the control surface reasoning and, again, didn't see a >> problem with just using a BT remote or a wired control system, so I >> was just asking out of curiosity, why would anyone want a specialized >> media player? Sorry if I wasn't clear. >> Aman >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> Anders Holmberg >> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 12:20 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >> >> Hi Aman! >> I think there was someone on the Eyes-free list mentioning a pioneer >> player with android. >> I am not sure i have the message saved where he is talking about it. >> You might search the archives on googlegroups. >> Myself am using my Nokia 8 as a phone and media player and it works >> like a charm. >> Though i use the apple music app and it does not have the chromecast >> support which annoys me a bit. >> Though i think Iphone is easier to use or Ios is easier to use. >> But i don’t want to have 2 devices with me when i am out and about so >> i have to use the Android and we will see what will happen in coming >> updates to Android P. >> /A >> >>> 12 juni 2018 kl. 01:07 skrev Aman Singer <[email protected]>: >>> >>> Hi Dane, >>> >>> I agree, it's definitely worth talking about. There is one thing I >>> don't quite understand, though, in your message. You write: >>> >>> A good Android Media player with accessibility or that could be made >>> accessible is highly desireable >>> >>> I am obviously missing something, but why? It seems to me an android >>> media player offers no advantage over a standard android device with >>> a good DAC connected via USB and some sort of control surface >>> suitable for the user. If I may ask, why bother with something >>> specialized? Why not get an ordinary Android device and make a media >>> player yourself? If it's because of sound, there are things like USB >>> audio player. If it's because of control, as I said, there are both >>> Bluetooth and wired control methods. I don't see any other reason for >>> such a player, though there must be one since people here want it. I'd like >>> to know why. >>> Aman >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>> Dane Trethowan >>> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 6:49 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>> >>> No need for apologies as this discussion is perhaps one of the best >>> we've had for a while though its probably going off topic a little >>> bit as good discussions can some times to. >>> A good Android Media player with accessibility or that could be made >>> accessible is highly desireable but as yet no one has put their >>> finger on where we may find one so - as I've said - the whole idea >>> would just seem a waste of time which is unfortunate. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Aman >>> Singer >>> Sent: Monday, 11 June 2018 4:46 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>> >>> Hi Dane and all, >>> >>> I apologise if I came across as taking sides in the annoying war >>> between Android and iOS. I have no loyalty to any technology or >>> company, I use both systems and dislike both. I would respectfully >>> say that Apple's accessibility has not so much taken steps backwards >>> but, and I particularly refer to braille, jumped backwards over the edge of >>> a cliff. >>> I also agree with you, Google has come a long way in terms of access. >>> However, they had a very long way to go to bring their accessibility >>> to a usable state. The old example, of a student who scored ten >>> percent and then scored sixty percent three months later is relevant. >>> Yes, he has come a long way, but he's still not a good student. >>> Google is very much in that position. You're quite right to say that >>> many of the issues are usability ones and have workarounds, but I >>> have reached the point where I wonder why blind users are supposed to >>> suffer through using workarounds if other people don't. I may also >>> say that for those of us with hearing impairments a good many of Google's >>> workarounds simply don't work. >>> To get back to media players, I understand the perfectly reasonable >>> desire for decent sound for those who can benefit from it. I share >>> the desire for physical controls. I would be tempted, though, to >>> focus on sound production and physical controls on their own. Keep in >>> mind that, with tasker and autoinput, you can even use a wired keypad >>> to provide physical controls to a device with USB OTG. You need not use >>> Bluetooth. >>> As I said, it may also be possible to use a USB device with a DAC to >>> produce better sound than whatever manufacturers of phones/tablets >>> start with. Finally, if your desire is for physical controls and >>> better sound reproduction, it may be worth looking at the single >>> board machines we discussed here earlier. These can often run Linux >>> and support for physical controls and DACs is more developed on that >>> platform than on Android. Basically, I'm suggesting that, besides the >>> many detriments you list below, Dane, there are no, or at least not >>> many, benefits to using a specialized Android media player. In most >>> cases, any benefits can be obtained more easily in a different way. >>> Aman >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>> >>> Es you may say so <smile> >>> From the start of this thread I’ve been emphasising that >>> accessibility for Android Media Players just isn’t on the radar for several >>> reasons. >>> Firstly Android is absolutely open to developers thus they can use >>> whatever version of Android they like and customise Android to what >>> suits their product thus its more than likely that portable Media >>> Players will be running say Android 3 or earlier. >>> Android 3 was pretty awful when it came to accessibility and nothing >>> much really happened with accessibility until Android 5 when things >>> improved out of sight - just my opinion through experience -. >>> Secondly with Media Players who knows what sort of interface you’re >>> going to get, a touch screen? A wheel that just keeps spinning? A >>> control strip? This obviously complicates accessibility even further. >>> And third who knows with a Media Player if you’re able to install >>> extra Apps which you may need to do to make the player accessible. >>> Some Media Players lend themselves to further customisation whereas >>> others are closed. >>> Some have processors that just aren’t powerful enough to handle too >>> many extra Apps or have a limited amount of RAM. >>> So here we are back at point A again, looking for that accessible >>> portable music player with Android could be a huge waste of time >>> unless you know of some specific machine that’s running preferably >>> the latest version of Android, that has quite a bit of RAM - 1GB at >>> the very minimum I’d reckon - and has or will allow you to go to the >>> Google Play store or give you access to the system to install Google >>> Talkback. >>> Does this sound like a Mobile Phone or tablet? >>> As far as Google and accessibility? Well nothing is perfect and I’m >>> not defending Google over anyone else. >>> Some may argue that Apple with accessibility may have gone backwards >>> with IOS but that’s another discussion for another list perhaps. >>> I believe that Google have come a long way with Android to the point >>> where its certainly good enough for use with the general public. >>> Yes like everything else there are a few issues but they’re usability >>> more than accessibility and there are workarounds. >>> >>> >>>> On 10 Jun 2018, at 6:36 am, Aman Singer <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Dane and all, >>>> >>>> There is, if I may say so, a deep problem with Android >>>> accessibility, in my view. First, Google is obviously running this >>>> as a boxchecking exercise, and that lack of interest spreads >>>> throughout all Android products. There are, of course, devices which >>>> are better than others in accessibility, but even the best aren't as >>>> accessible as they could be, and there are some which are absolutely >>>> hopeless. I suspect, as I think you do, that some of the media >>>> players will be the hopeless ones. One of the saddest accessibility >>>> stories in the past thirty years, for the blind and deafblind at >>>> least, has been Android. There was a huge amount of potential and it >>>> has been wasted. The reasons for the waste are debatable, the fact of the >>>> waste is, I think, not debatable at all. >>>> Things could have been done much better, they weren't. >>>> Aman >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>> Dane Trethowan >>>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 7:19 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>>> >>>> Yep a fair suggestion. >>>> Of course all this depends on how accessible the portable Android >>>> media player is or can be made to be which is the 40 million dollar >>>> question but to me to be perfectly honest its all a lot of mucking >>>> around and for what? >>>> I mentioned I have a Sony xPeria X-Performance, they're old hack as >>>> far as phones go now so why not pick yourself up one of these for a >>>> bargain price if you still can and.. well.. work from there. >>>> Yep, add the Bluetooth control you're talking about, have full >>>> accessibility with your choice of music player, stream to other >>>> devices in your house along with Bluetooth speakers, enjoy high >>>> quality sound through your headphones, amazing battery life etc. >>>> From what I've seen thus far of portable Android music players >>>> accessibility is just a pure waste of time in the main. >>>> Always happy to be proved wrong of course. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Aman >>>> Singer >>>> Sent: Friday, 8 June 2018 9:12 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I realize this is perilously close to heresy, but I detest touch >>>> screens and sympathise with any desire for physical buttons. If I >>>> may ask, though, why not use a Bluetooth remote which has such >>>> buttons? See, just for example >>>> https://satechi.net/products/satechi-bluetooth-multi-media-remote >>>> You can get the best, more or less, of both worlds, physical >>>> buttons and a generally available, non-premium-priced, Android media >>>> player. As for the audio quality, I'm not the person to talk about >>>> that but it does seem to be possible to plug a USB DAC into some Android >>>> devices. >>>> HTH, >>>> Aman >>>> >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>> Anders Holmberg >>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 5:29 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>>> >>>> Hi! >>>> Yes that’s a truth for sure. >>>> I was just thinking of if there were other functions that the phone >>>> didn’t have. >>>> For example physical buttons for play and stop and such, even though >>>> its not hard to stop and play from the touch screen. >>>> Also i am a bit dissapointed about the audio from the nokia 8 i have. >>>> Its good via bluetooth but the 3.5 mm jack could have been better on >>>> such a device. >>>> THe Iphone SE i have is far better there in my opinion. >>>> /A >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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