I absolutely hated the Mini 3 when I had one and couldn’t get rid of the beast quickly enough when I had it. When I talk about an iPad mini 4 being sluggish it certainly is compared to the iPad Pro. I sincerely hope Apple come up with a new generation of iPad mini if they haven’t already done so, a very nice machine.
> On 17 Jun 2018, at 3:22 am, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote: > > Hi! > THe mini 4 works quite well here. > I don’t experience anny sluggishness here. > THe mini 3 though is quite sluggish. > /A > >> 16 juni 2018 kl. 14:41 skrev Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>: >> >> There are 2 models of iPad Pro, the 10.5 inch and the 12.5 inch which will >> be the one I’ll be replacing my First Gen iPad Pro with. >> I’m told that the 10.5 inch isn’t as powerful but I don’t know about the >> quality of sound. >> I’ve had an iPad Mini - actually 3 of them - and the iPad Mini 4 didn’t >> sound bad at all for what it was though I rid myself of it recently as I >> found it to be very sluggish with the later versions of IOS. >> The iPad Pro certainly does sound better than the iPad Mini but costs quite >> a bit more too therefore I’d recommend the Mini if you want something that’s >> considerably smaller and sounds quite reasonable not to mention costs a good >> deal less than the Pro. >> >> >>> On 16 Jun 2018, at 10:31 pm, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote: >>> >>> Hi! >>> I still am at my Ipad mini 4 and have an Ipad mini 3 too. >>> I will have to go look at the Ipad pro as its a very big device if you >>> compare it with the ipad mini. >>> /A >>> >>>> 16 juni 2018 kl. 07:45 skrev Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>: >>>> >>>> Hi! >>>> If you're looking for a tablet with good sound then I have a few >>>> suggestions. >>>> I'm not suggesting the Microsoft Surface because I've never tried one. >>>> If you like your Windows 10 then you'll really love the Samsung Galaxy >>>> Book 12. >>>> I've had one of these now for 8 months and - once again - Samsung have >>>> show us what they know about speaker technology which seems to be a lot, >>>> this tablet is one of the best I've heard for sound quality through its >>>> internal speakers. >>>> The tablet features built-in microphones and they record quite well though >>>> I've only tried Voice Recorder fo this, quality was very good for a Voice >>>> Recorder. >>>> If you want to use another recording device then the Galaxybook 12 has 2 >>>> USB-C ports on the right and please note that the model down only has 1 >>>> USB-C port. >>>> The Headphones socket is a standard 3.5MM minijack and not a combo socket. >>>> The Samsung Galaxy Book 12 has 8GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD so its quite >>>> fast. >>>> I've tried audio recording for an external sound device and had no >>>> problems. >>>> Another tablet that sticks out for its quality of sound is the Apple iPad >>>> Pro, I owned the First Generation iPad and plan to by the new current >>>> third when I'm able as its supposed to sound quite a lot better than the >>>> first gen, if that's the case then the third gen ought to be absolutely >>>> brilliant. >>>> The iPad Pro has 4 speakers so this obviously adds to the stunning sound. >>>> The iPad Pro is an IOS device so it can't run Windows obviously but IOS is >>>> shown at its absolute best and in my view it seems to fit the iPad pro >>>> rather than an iPhone, iPad Mini etc as the iPad Pro - and this is the >>>> first generation we're talking about - is incredibly responsive under the >>>> latest IS. >>>> So 2 options to consider if you're looking to get into Tablet computing >>>> and these are 2 options with excellent sound and excellent specs to boot. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Anders >>>> Holmberg >>>> Sent: Saturday, 16 June 2018 12:08 AM >>>> To: all-audio@groups.io >>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>>> >>>> Hi! >>>> Now you’re quite clear and i also ask this sometimes in my mind. >>>> But you know that gadgets are fun and i guess that’s the reason to buy one. >>>> I have both an android phone and an Iphone Se just because i am interested >>>> in both systems. >>>> And to be honest i think the Iphone does a better job with my B&W p7 than >>>> my Nokia which is a bit dissappointing but that’s how things are. >>>> I will get me a small mobile dac maybe next week. >>>> /A >>>> >>>>> 13 juni 2018 kl. 01:23 skrev Aman Singer <aman.sin...@gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Anders, >>>>> >>>>> You write: >>>>> >>>>> I think there was someone on the Eyes-free list mentioning a pioneer >>>>> player with android. >>>>> >>>>> I perfectly understand that they exist, my question was more why they >>>>> existed or, more accurately, why anyone would want to use one rather >>>>> than just buying a used phone and running it as a media player. I >>>>> looked at the audio reasoning and didn't think it made sense, and I >>>>> looked at the control surface reasoning and, again, didn't see a >>>>> problem with just using a BT remote or a wired control system, so I >>>>> was just asking out of curiosity, why would anyone want a specialized >>>>> media player? Sorry if I wasn't clear. >>>>> Aman >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of >>>>> Anders Holmberg >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 12:20 PM >>>>> To: all-audio@groups.io >>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>>>> >>>>> Hi Aman! >>>>> I think there was someone on the Eyes-free list mentioning a pioneer >>>>> player with android. >>>>> I am not sure i have the message saved where he is talking about it. >>>>> You might search the archives on googlegroups. >>>>> Myself am using my Nokia 8 as a phone and media player and it works >>>>> like a charm. >>>>> Though i use the apple music app and it does not have the chromecast >>>>> support which annoys me a bit. >>>>> Though i think Iphone is easier to use or Ios is easier to use. >>>>> But i don’t want to have 2 devices with me when i am out and about so >>>>> i have to use the Android and we will see what will happen in coming >>>>> updates to Android P. >>>>> /A >>>>> >>>>>> 12 juni 2018 kl. 01:07 skrev Aman Singer <aman.sin...@gmail.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Dane, >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree, it's definitely worth talking about. There is one thing I >>>>>> don't quite understand, though, in your message. You write: >>>>>> >>>>>> A good Android Media player with accessibility or that could be made >>>>>> accessible is highly desireable >>>>>> >>>>>> I am obviously missing something, but why? It seems to me an android >>>>>> media player offers no advantage over a standard android device with >>>>>> a good DAC connected via USB and some sort of control surface >>>>>> suitable for the user. If I may ask, why bother with something >>>>>> specialized? Why not get an ordinary Android device and make a media >>>>>> player yourself? If it's because of sound, there are things like USB >>>>>> audio player. If it's because of control, as I said, there are both >>>>>> Bluetooth and wired control methods. I don't see any other reason for >>>>>> such a player, though there must be one since people here want it. I'd >>>>>> like to know why. >>>>>> Aman >>>>>> From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of >>>>>> Dane Trethowan >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 6:49 PM >>>>>> To: all-audio@groups.io >>>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>>>>> >>>>>> No need for apologies as this discussion is perhaps one of the best >>>>>> we've had for a while though its probably going off topic a little >>>>>> bit as good discussions can some times to. >>>>>> A good Android Media player with accessibility or that could be made >>>>>> accessible is highly desireable but as yet no one has put their >>>>>> finger on where we may find one so - as I've said - the whole idea >>>>>> would just seem a waste of time which is unfortunate. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Aman >>>>>> Singer >>>>>> Sent: Monday, 11 June 2018 4:46 AM >>>>>> To: all-audio@groups.io >>>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Dane and all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I apologise if I came across as taking sides in the annoying war >>>>>> between Android and iOS. I have no loyalty to any technology or >>>>>> company, I use both systems and dislike both. I would respectfully >>>>>> say that Apple's accessibility has not so much taken steps backwards >>>>>> but, and I particularly refer to braille, jumped backwards over the edge >>>>>> of a cliff. >>>>>> I also agree with you, Google has come a long way in terms of access. >>>>>> However, they had a very long way to go to bring their accessibility >>>>>> to a usable state. The old example, of a student who scored ten >>>>>> percent and then scored sixty percent three months later is relevant. >>>>>> Yes, he has come a long way, but he's still not a good student. >>>>>> Google is very much in that position. You're quite right to say that >>>>>> many of the issues are usability ones and have workarounds, but I >>>>>> have reached the point where I wonder why blind users are supposed to >>>>>> suffer through using workarounds if other people don't. I may also >>>>>> say that for those of us with hearing impairments a good many of >>>>>> Google's workarounds simply don't work. >>>>>> To get back to media players, I understand the perfectly reasonable >>>>>> desire for decent sound for those who can benefit from it. I share >>>>>> the desire for physical controls. I would be tempted, though, to >>>>>> focus on sound production and physical controls on their own. Keep in >>>>>> mind that, with tasker and autoinput, you can even use a wired keypad >>>>>> to provide physical controls to a device with USB OTG. You need not use >>>>>> Bluetooth. >>>>>> As I said, it may also be possible to use a USB device with a DAC to >>>>>> produce better sound than whatever manufacturers of phones/tablets >>>>>> start with. Finally, if your desire is for physical controls and >>>>>> better sound reproduction, it may be worth looking at the single >>>>>> board machines we discussed here earlier. These can often run Linux >>>>>> and support for physical controls and DACs is more developed on that >>>>>> platform than on Android. Basically, I'm suggesting that, besides the >>>>>> many detriments you list below, Dane, there are no, or at least not >>>>>> many, benefits to using a specialized Android media player. In most >>>>>> cases, any benefits can be obtained more easily in a different way. >>>>>> Aman >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To: all-audio@groups.io >>>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>>>>> >>>>>> Es you may say so <smile> >>>>>> From the start of this thread I’ve been emphasising that >>>>>> accessibility for Android Media Players just isn’t on the radar for >>>>>> several reasons. >>>>>> Firstly Android is absolutely open to developers thus they can use >>>>>> whatever version of Android they like and customise Android to what >>>>>> suits their product thus its more than likely that portable Media >>>>>> Players will be running say Android 3 or earlier. >>>>>> Android 3 was pretty awful when it came to accessibility and nothing >>>>>> much really happened with accessibility until Android 5 when things >>>>>> improved out of sight - just my opinion through experience -. >>>>>> Secondly with Media Players who knows what sort of interface you’re >>>>>> going to get, a touch screen? A wheel that just keeps spinning? A >>>>>> control strip? This obviously complicates accessibility even further. >>>>>> And third who knows with a Media Player if you’re able to install >>>>>> extra Apps which you may need to do to make the player accessible. >>>>>> Some Media Players lend themselves to further customisation whereas >>>>>> others are closed. >>>>>> Some have processors that just aren’t powerful enough to handle too >>>>>> many extra Apps or have a limited amount of RAM. >>>>>> So here we are back at point A again, looking for that accessible >>>>>> portable music player with Android could be a huge waste of time >>>>>> unless you know of some specific machine that’s running preferably >>>>>> the latest version of Android, that has quite a bit of RAM - 1GB at >>>>>> the very minimum I’d reckon - and has or will allow you to go to the >>>>>> Google Play store or give you access to the system to install Google >>>>>> Talkback. >>>>>> Does this sound like a Mobile Phone or tablet? >>>>>> As far as Google and accessibility? Well nothing is perfect and I’m >>>>>> not defending Google over anyone else. >>>>>> Some may argue that Apple with accessibility may have gone backwards >>>>>> with IOS but that’s another discussion for another list perhaps. >>>>>> I believe that Google have come a long way with Android to the point >>>>>> where its certainly good enough for use with the general public. >>>>>> Yes like everything else there are a few issues but they’re usability >>>>>> more than accessibility and there are workarounds. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10 Jun 2018, at 6:36 am, Aman Singer <aman.sin...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Dane and all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is, if I may say so, a deep problem with Android >>>>>>> accessibility, in my view. First, Google is obviously running this >>>>>>> as a boxchecking exercise, and that lack of interest spreads >>>>>>> throughout all Android products. There are, of course, devices which >>>>>>> are better than others in accessibility, but even the best aren't as >>>>>>> accessible as they could be, and there are some which are absolutely >>>>>>> hopeless. I suspect, as I think you do, that some of the media >>>>>>> players will be the hopeless ones. One of the saddest accessibility >>>>>>> stories in the past thirty years, for the blind and deafblind at >>>>>>> least, has been Android. There was a huge amount of potential and it >>>>>>> has been wasted. The reasons for the waste are debatable, the fact of >>>>>>> the waste is, I think, not debatable at all. >>>>>>> Things could have been done much better, they weren't. >>>>>>> Aman >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> Dane Trethowan >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 7:19 AM >>>>>>> To: all-audio@groups.io >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yep a fair suggestion. >>>>>>> Of course all this depends on how accessible the portable Android >>>>>>> media player is or can be made to be which is the 40 million dollar >>>>>>> question but to me to be perfectly honest its all a lot of mucking >>>>>>> around and for what? >>>>>>> I mentioned I have a Sony xPeria X-Performance, they're old hack as >>>>>>> far as phones go now so why not pick yourself up one of these for a >>>>>>> bargain price if you still can and.. well.. work from there. >>>>>>> Yep, add the Bluetooth control you're talking about, have full >>>>>>> accessibility with your choice of music player, stream to other >>>>>>> devices in your house along with Bluetooth speakers, enjoy high >>>>>>> quality sound through your headphones, amazing battery life etc. >>>>>>> From what I've seen thus far of portable Android music players >>>>>>> accessibility is just a pure waste of time in the main. >>>>>>> Always happy to be proved wrong of course. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Aman >>>>>>> Singer >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, 8 June 2018 9:12 PM >>>>>>> To: all-audio@groups.io >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I realize this is perilously close to heresy, but I detest >>>>>>> touch >>>>>>> screens and sympathise with any desire for physical buttons. If I >>>>>>> may ask, though, why not use a Bluetooth remote which has such >>>>>>> buttons? See, just for example >>>>>>> https://satechi.net/products/satechi-bluetooth-multi-media-remote >>>>>>> You can get the best, more or less, of both worlds, physical >>>>>>> buttons and a generally available, non-premium-priced, Android media >>>>>>> player. As for the audio quality, I'm not the person to talk about >>>>>>> that but it does seem to be possible to plug a USB DAC into some >>>>>>> Android devices. >>>>>>> HTH, >>>>>>> Aman >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> Anders Holmberg >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 5:29 AM >>>>>>> To: all-audio@groups.io >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>> Yes that’s a truth for sure. >>>>>>> I was just thinking of if there were other functions that the phone >>>>>>> didn’t have. >>>>>>> For example physical buttons for play and stop and such, even though >>>>>>> its not hard to stop and play from the touch screen. >>>>>>> Also i am a bit dissapointed about the audio from the nokia 8 i have. >>>>>>> Its good via bluetooth but the 3.5 mm jack could have been better on >>>>>>> such a device. >>>>>>> THe Iphone SE i have is far better there in my opinion. >>>>>>> /A >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ********** >> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the >> halfwits in this world behind. >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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