Hi! They wont as from what i have heard. /A > 16 juni 2018 kl. 20:00 skrev Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>: > > I absolutely hated the Mini 3 when I had one and couldn’t get rid of the > beast quickly enough when I had it. > When I talk about an iPad mini 4 being sluggish it certainly is compared to > the iPad Pro. I sincerely hope Apple come up with a new generation of iPad > mini if they haven’t already done so, a very nice machine. > > >> On 17 Jun 2018, at 3:22 am, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote: >> >> Hi! >> THe mini 4 works quite well here. >> I don’t experience anny sluggishness here. >> THe mini 3 though is quite sluggish. >> /A >> >>> 16 juni 2018 kl. 14:41 skrev Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>: >>> >>> There are 2 models of iPad Pro, the 10.5 inch and the 12.5 inch which will >>> be the one I’ll be replacing my First Gen iPad Pro with. >>> I’m told that the 10.5 inch isn’t as powerful but I don’t know about the >>> quality of sound. >>> I’ve had an iPad Mini - actually 3 of them - and the iPad Mini 4 didn’t >>> sound bad at all for what it was though I rid myself of it recently as I >>> found it to be very sluggish with the later versions of IOS. >>> The iPad Pro certainly does sound better than the iPad Mini but costs quite >>> a bit more too therefore I’d recommend the Mini if you want something >>> that’s considerably smaller and sounds quite reasonable not to mention >>> costs a good deal less than the Pro. >>> >>> >>>> On 16 Jun 2018, at 10:31 pm, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi! >>>> I still am at my Ipad mini 4 and have an Ipad mini 3 too. >>>> I will have to go look at the Ipad pro as its a very big device if you >>>> compare it with the ipad mini. >>>> /A >>>> >>>>> 16 juni 2018 kl. 07:45 skrev Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>: >>>>> >>>>> Hi! >>>>> If you're looking for a tablet with good sound then I have a few >>>>> suggestions. >>>>> I'm not suggesting the Microsoft Surface because I've never tried one. >>>>> If you like your Windows 10 then you'll really love the Samsung Galaxy >>>>> Book 12. >>>>> I've had one of these now for 8 months and - once again - Samsung have >>>>> show us what they know about speaker technology which seems to be a lot, >>>>> this tablet is one of the best I've heard for sound quality through its >>>>> internal speakers. >>>>> The tablet features built-in microphones and they record quite well >>>>> though I've only tried Voice Recorder fo this, quality was very good for >>>>> a Voice Recorder. >>>>> If you want to use another recording device then the Galaxybook 12 has 2 >>>>> USB-C ports on the right and please note that the model down only has 1 >>>>> USB-C port. >>>>> The Headphones socket is a standard 3.5MM minijack and not a combo socket. >>>>> The Samsung Galaxy Book 12 has 8GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD so its quite >>>>> fast. >>>>> I've tried audio recording for an external sound device and had no >>>>> problems. >>>>> Another tablet that sticks out for its quality of sound is the Apple iPad >>>>> Pro, I owned the First Generation iPad and plan to by the new current >>>>> third when I'm able as its supposed to sound quite a lot better than the >>>>> first gen, if that's the case then the third gen ought to be absolutely >>>>> brilliant. >>>>> The iPad Pro has 4 speakers so this obviously adds to the stunning sound. >>>>> The iPad Pro is an IOS device so it can't run Windows obviously but IOS >>>>> is shown at its absolute best and in my view it seems to fit the iPad pro >>>>> rather than an iPhone, iPad Mini etc as the iPad Pro - and this is the >>>>> first generation we're talking about - is incredibly responsive under the >>>>> latest IS. >>>>> So 2 options to consider if you're looking to get into Tablet computing >>>>> and these are 2 options with excellent sound and excellent specs to boot. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Anders >>>>> Holmberg >>>>> Sent: Saturday, 16 June 2018 12:08 AM >>>>> To: all-audio@groups.io >>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>>>> >>>>> Hi! >>>>> Now you’re quite clear and i also ask this sometimes in my mind. >>>>> But you know that gadgets are fun and i guess that’s the reason to buy >>>>> one. >>>>> I have both an android phone and an Iphone Se just because i am >>>>> interested in both systems. >>>>> And to be honest i think the Iphone does a better job with my B&W p7 than >>>>> my Nokia which is a bit dissappointing but that’s how things are. >>>>> I will get me a small mobile dac maybe next week. >>>>> /A >>>>> >>>>>> 13 juni 2018 kl. 01:23 skrev Aman Singer <aman.sin...@gmail.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Anders, >>>>>> >>>>>> You write: >>>>>> >>>>>> I think there was someone on the Eyes-free list mentioning a pioneer >>>>>> player with android. >>>>>> >>>>>> I perfectly understand that they exist, my question was more why they >>>>>> existed or, more accurately, why anyone would want to use one rather >>>>>> than just buying a used phone and running it as a media player. I >>>>>> looked at the audio reasoning and didn't think it made sense, and I >>>>>> looked at the control surface reasoning and, again, didn't see a >>>>>> problem with just using a BT remote or a wired control system, so I >>>>>> was just asking out of curiosity, why would anyone want a specialized >>>>>> media player? Sorry if I wasn't clear. >>>>>> Aman >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of >>>>>> Anders Holmberg >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 12:20 PM >>>>>> To: all-audio@groups.io >>>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Aman! >>>>>> I think there was someone on the Eyes-free list mentioning a pioneer >>>>>> player with android. >>>>>> I am not sure i have the message saved where he is talking about it. >>>>>> You might search the archives on googlegroups. >>>>>> Myself am using my Nokia 8 as a phone and media player and it works >>>>>> like a charm. >>>>>> Though i use the apple music app and it does not have the chromecast >>>>>> support which annoys me a bit. >>>>>> Though i think Iphone is easier to use or Ios is easier to use. >>>>>> But i don’t want to have 2 devices with me when i am out and about so >>>>>> i have to use the Android and we will see what will happen in coming >>>>>> updates to Android P. >>>>>> /A >>>>>> >>>>>>> 12 juni 2018 kl. 01:07 skrev Aman Singer <aman.sin...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Dane, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree, it's definitely worth talking about. There is one >>>>>>> thing I >>>>>>> don't quite understand, though, in your message. You write: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A good Android Media player with accessibility or that could be made >>>>>>> accessible is highly desireable >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am obviously missing something, but why? It seems to me an >>>>>>> android >>>>>>> media player offers no advantage over a standard android device with >>>>>>> a good DAC connected via USB and some sort of control surface >>>>>>> suitable for the user. If I may ask, why bother with something >>>>>>> specialized? Why not get an ordinary Android device and make a media >>>>>>> player yourself? If it's because of sound, there are things like USB >>>>>>> audio player. If it's because of control, as I said, there are both >>>>>>> Bluetooth and wired control methods. I don't see any other reason for >>>>>>> such a player, though there must be one since people here want it. I'd >>>>>>> like to know why. >>>>>>> Aman >>>>>>> From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> Dane Trethowan >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 6:49 PM >>>>>>> To: all-audio@groups.io >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No need for apologies as this discussion is perhaps one of the best >>>>>>> we've had for a while though its probably going off topic a little >>>>>>> bit as good discussions can some times to. >>>>>>> A good Android Media player with accessibility or that could be made >>>>>>> accessible is highly desireable but as yet no one has put their >>>>>>> finger on where we may find one so - as I've said - the whole idea >>>>>>> would just seem a waste of time which is unfortunate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Aman >>>>>>> Singer >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 11 June 2018 4:46 AM >>>>>>> To: all-audio@groups.io >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Dane and all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I apologise if I came across as taking sides in the annoying >>>>>>> war >>>>>>> between Android and iOS. I have no loyalty to any technology or >>>>>>> company, I use both systems and dislike both. I would respectfully >>>>>>> say that Apple's accessibility has not so much taken steps backwards >>>>>>> but, and I particularly refer to braille, jumped backwards over the >>>>>>> edge of a cliff. >>>>>>> I also agree with you, Google has come a long way in terms of access. >>>>>>> However, they had a very long way to go to bring their accessibility >>>>>>> to a usable state. The old example, of a student who scored ten >>>>>>> percent and then scored sixty percent three months later is relevant. >>>>>>> Yes, he has come a long way, but he's still not a good student. >>>>>>> Google is very much in that position. You're quite right to say that >>>>>>> many of the issues are usability ones and have workarounds, but I >>>>>>> have reached the point where I wonder why blind users are supposed to >>>>>>> suffer through using workarounds if other people don't. I may also >>>>>>> say that for those of us with hearing impairments a good many of >>>>>>> Google's workarounds simply don't work. >>>>>>> To get back to media players, I understand the perfectly >>>>>>> reasonable >>>>>>> desire for decent sound for those who can benefit from it. I share >>>>>>> the desire for physical controls. I would be tempted, though, to >>>>>>> focus on sound production and physical controls on their own. Keep in >>>>>>> mind that, with tasker and autoinput, you can even use a wired keypad >>>>>>> to provide physical controls to a device with USB OTG. You need not use >>>>>>> Bluetooth. >>>>>>> As I said, it may also be possible to use a USB device with a DAC to >>>>>>> produce better sound than whatever manufacturers of phones/tablets >>>>>>> start with. Finally, if your desire is for physical controls and >>>>>>> better sound reproduction, it may be worth looking at the single >>>>>>> board machines we discussed here earlier. These can often run Linux >>>>>>> and support for physical controls and DACs is more developed on that >>>>>>> platform than on Android. Basically, I'm suggesting that, besides the >>>>>>> many detriments you list below, Dane, there are no, or at least not >>>>>>> many, benefits to using a specialized Android media player. In most >>>>>>> cases, any benefits can be obtained more easily in a different way. >>>>>>> Aman >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To: all-audio@groups.io >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Es you may say so <smile> >>>>>>> From the start of this thread I’ve been emphasising that >>>>>>> accessibility for Android Media Players just isn’t on the radar for >>>>>>> several reasons. >>>>>>> Firstly Android is absolutely open to developers thus they can use >>>>>>> whatever version of Android they like and customise Android to what >>>>>>> suits their product thus its more than likely that portable Media >>>>>>> Players will be running say Android 3 or earlier. >>>>>>> Android 3 was pretty awful when it came to accessibility and nothing >>>>>>> much really happened with accessibility until Android 5 when things >>>>>>> improved out of sight - just my opinion through experience -. >>>>>>> Secondly with Media Players who knows what sort of interface you’re >>>>>>> going to get, a touch screen? A wheel that just keeps spinning? A >>>>>>> control strip? This obviously complicates accessibility even further. >>>>>>> And third who knows with a Media Player if you’re able to install >>>>>>> extra Apps which you may need to do to make the player accessible. >>>>>>> Some Media Players lend themselves to further customisation whereas >>>>>>> others are closed. >>>>>>> Some have processors that just aren’t powerful enough to handle too >>>>>>> many extra Apps or have a limited amount of RAM. >>>>>>> So here we are back at point A again, looking for that accessible >>>>>>> portable music player with Android could be a huge waste of time >>>>>>> unless you know of some specific machine that’s running preferably >>>>>>> the latest version of Android, that has quite a bit of RAM - 1GB at >>>>>>> the very minimum I’d reckon - and has or will allow you to go to the >>>>>>> Google Play store or give you access to the system to install Google >>>>>>> Talkback. >>>>>>> Does this sound like a Mobile Phone or tablet? >>>>>>> As far as Google and accessibility? Well nothing is perfect and I’m >>>>>>> not defending Google over anyone else. >>>>>>> Some may argue that Apple with accessibility may have gone backwards >>>>>>> with IOS but that’s another discussion for another list perhaps. >>>>>>> I believe that Google have come a long way with Android to the point >>>>>>> where its certainly good enough for use with the general public. >>>>>>> Yes like everything else there are a few issues but they’re usability >>>>>>> more than accessibility and there are workarounds. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 10 Jun 2018, at 6:36 am, Aman Singer <aman.sin...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Dane and all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is, if I may say so, a deep problem with Android >>>>>>>> accessibility, in my view. First, Google is obviously running this >>>>>>>> as a boxchecking exercise, and that lack of interest spreads >>>>>>>> throughout all Android products. There are, of course, devices which >>>>>>>> are better than others in accessibility, but even the best aren't as >>>>>>>> accessible as they could be, and there are some which are absolutely >>>>>>>> hopeless. I suspect, as I think you do, that some of the media >>>>>>>> players will be the hopeless ones. One of the saddest accessibility >>>>>>>> stories in the past thirty years, for the blind and deafblind at >>>>>>>> least, has been Android. There was a huge amount of potential and it >>>>>>>> has been wasted. The reasons for the waste are debatable, the fact of >>>>>>>> the waste is, I think, not debatable at all. >>>>>>>> Things could have been done much better, they weren't. >>>>>>>> Aman >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>> Dane Trethowan >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 7:19 AM >>>>>>>> To: all-audio@groups.io >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yep a fair suggestion. >>>>>>>> Of course all this depends on how accessible the portable Android >>>>>>>> media player is or can be made to be which is the 40 million dollar >>>>>>>> question but to me to be perfectly honest its all a lot of mucking >>>>>>>> around and for what? >>>>>>>> I mentioned I have a Sony xPeria X-Performance, they're old hack as >>>>>>>> far as phones go now so why not pick yourself up one of these for a >>>>>>>> bargain price if you still can and.. well.. work from there. >>>>>>>> Yep, add the Bluetooth control you're talking about, have full >>>>>>>> accessibility with your choice of music player, stream to other >>>>>>>> devices in your house along with Bluetooth speakers, enjoy high >>>>>>>> quality sound through your headphones, amazing battery life etc. >>>>>>>> From what I've seen thus far of portable Android music players >>>>>>>> accessibility is just a pure waste of time in the main. >>>>>>>> Always happy to be proved wrong of course. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: all-audio@groups.io <all-audio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Aman >>>>>>>> Singer >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, 8 June 2018 9:12 PM >>>>>>>> To: all-audio@groups.io >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I realize this is perilously close to heresy, but I detest >>>>>>>> touch >>>>>>>> screens and sympathise with any desire for physical buttons. If I >>>>>>>> may ask, though, why not use a Bluetooth remote which has such >>>>>>>> buttons? See, just for example >>>>>>>> https://satechi.net/products/satechi-bluetooth-multi-media-remote >>>>>>>> You can get the best, more or less, of both worlds, physical >>>>>>>> buttons and a generally available, non-premium-priced, Android media >>>>>>>> player. As for the audio quality, I'm not the person to talk about >>>>>>>> that but it does seem to be possible to plug a USB DAC into some >>>>>>>> Android devices. >>>>>>>> HTH, >>>>>>>> Aman >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: all-audio@groups.io [mailto:all-audio@groups.io] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>> Anders Holmberg >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 5:29 AM >>>>>>>> To: all-audio@groups.io >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>>> Yes that’s a truth for sure. >>>>>>>> I was just thinking of if there were other functions that the phone >>>>>>>> didn’t have. >>>>>>>> For example physical buttons for play and stop and such, even though >>>>>>>> its not hard to stop and play from the touch screen. >>>>>>>> Also i am a bit dissapointed about the audio from the nokia 8 i have. >>>>>>>> Its good via bluetooth but the 3.5 mm jack could have been better on >>>>>>>> such a device. >>>>>>>> THe Iphone SE i have is far better there in my opinion. >>>>>>>> /A >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ********** >>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the >>> halfwits in this world behind. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > >
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