There are 2 models of iPad Pro, the 10.5 inch and the 12.5 inch which will be the one I’ll be replacing my First Gen iPad Pro with. I’m told that the 10.5 inch isn’t as powerful but I don’t know about the quality of sound. I’ve had an iPad Mini - actually 3 of them - and the iPad Mini 4 didn’t sound bad at all for what it was though I rid myself of it recently as I found it to be very sluggish with the later versions of IOS. The iPad Pro certainly does sound better than the iPad Mini but costs quite a bit more too therefore I’d recommend the Mini if you want something that’s considerably smaller and sounds quite reasonable not to mention costs a good deal less than the Pro.
> On 16 Jun 2018, at 10:31 pm, Anders Holmberg <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi! > I still am at my Ipad mini 4 and have an Ipad mini 3 too. > I will have to go look at the Ipad pro as its a very big device if you > compare it with the ipad mini. > /A > >> 16 juni 2018 kl. 07:45 skrev Dane Trethowan <[email protected]>: >> >> Hi! >> If you're looking for a tablet with good sound then I have a few suggestions. >> I'm not suggesting the Microsoft Surface because I've never tried one. >> If you like your Windows 10 then you'll really love the Samsung Galaxy Book >> 12. >> I've had one of these now for 8 months and - once again - Samsung have show >> us what they know about speaker technology which seems to be a lot, this >> tablet is one of the best I've heard for sound quality through its internal >> speakers. >> The tablet features built-in microphones and they record quite well though >> I've only tried Voice Recorder fo this, quality was very good for a Voice >> Recorder. >> If you want to use another recording device then the Galaxybook 12 has 2 >> USB-C ports on the right and please note that the model down only has 1 >> USB-C port. >> The Headphones socket is a standard 3.5MM minijack and not a combo socket. >> The Samsung Galaxy Book 12 has 8GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD so its quite fast. >> I've tried audio recording for an external sound device and had no problems. >> Another tablet that sticks out for its quality of sound is the Apple iPad >> Pro, I owned the First Generation iPad and plan to by the new current third >> when I'm able as its supposed to sound quite a lot better than the first >> gen, if that's the case then the third gen ought to be absolutely brilliant. >> The iPad Pro has 4 speakers so this obviously adds to the stunning sound. >> The iPad Pro is an IOS device so it can't run Windows obviously but IOS is >> shown at its absolute best and in my view it seems to fit the iPad pro >> rather than an iPhone, iPad Mini etc as the iPad Pro - and this is the first >> generation we're talking about - is incredibly responsive under the latest >> IS. >> So 2 options to consider if you're looking to get into Tablet computing and >> these are 2 options with excellent sound and excellent specs to boot. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg >> Sent: Saturday, 16 June 2018 12:08 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >> >> Hi! >> Now you’re quite clear and i also ask this sometimes in my mind. >> But you know that gadgets are fun and i guess that’s the reason to buy one. >> I have both an android phone and an Iphone Se just because i am interested >> in both systems. >> And to be honest i think the Iphone does a better job with my B&W p7 than my >> Nokia which is a bit dissappointing but that’s how things are. >> I will get me a small mobile dac maybe next week. >> /A >> >>> 13 juni 2018 kl. 01:23 skrev Aman Singer <[email protected]>: >>> >>> Hi Anders, >>> >>> You write: >>> >>> I think there was someone on the Eyes-free list mentioning a pioneer >>> player with android. >>> >>> I perfectly understand that they exist, my question was more why they >>> existed or, more accurately, why anyone would want to use one rather >>> than just buying a used phone and running it as a media player. I >>> looked at the audio reasoning and didn't think it made sense, and I >>> looked at the control surface reasoning and, again, didn't see a >>> problem with just using a BT remote or a wired control system, so I >>> was just asking out of curiosity, why would anyone want a specialized >>> media player? Sorry if I wasn't clear. >>> Aman >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>> Anders Holmberg >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 12:20 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>> >>> Hi Aman! >>> I think there was someone on the Eyes-free list mentioning a pioneer >>> player with android. >>> I am not sure i have the message saved where he is talking about it. >>> You might search the archives on googlegroups. >>> Myself am using my Nokia 8 as a phone and media player and it works >>> like a charm. >>> Though i use the apple music app and it does not have the chromecast >>> support which annoys me a bit. >>> Though i think Iphone is easier to use or Ios is easier to use. >>> But i don’t want to have 2 devices with me when i am out and about so >>> i have to use the Android and we will see what will happen in coming >>> updates to Android P. >>> /A >>> >>>> 12 juni 2018 kl. 01:07 skrev Aman Singer <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>> Hi Dane, >>>> >>>> I agree, it's definitely worth talking about. There is one thing I >>>> don't quite understand, though, in your message. You write: >>>> >>>> A good Android Media player with accessibility or that could be made >>>> accessible is highly desireable >>>> >>>> I am obviously missing something, but why? It seems to me an android >>>> media player offers no advantage over a standard android device with >>>> a good DAC connected via USB and some sort of control surface >>>> suitable for the user. If I may ask, why bother with something >>>> specialized? Why not get an ordinary Android device and make a media >>>> player yourself? If it's because of sound, there are things like USB >>>> audio player. If it's because of control, as I said, there are both >>>> Bluetooth and wired control methods. I don't see any other reason for >>>> such a player, though there must be one since people here want it. I'd >>>> like to know why. >>>> Aman >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>> Dane Trethowan >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 6:49 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>>> >>>> No need for apologies as this discussion is perhaps one of the best >>>> we've had for a while though its probably going off topic a little >>>> bit as good discussions can some times to. >>>> A good Android Media player with accessibility or that could be made >>>> accessible is highly desireable but as yet no one has put their >>>> finger on where we may find one so - as I've said - the whole idea >>>> would just seem a waste of time which is unfortunate. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Aman >>>> Singer >>>> Sent: Monday, 11 June 2018 4:46 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>>> >>>> Hi Dane and all, >>>> >>>> I apologise if I came across as taking sides in the annoying war >>>> between Android and iOS. I have no loyalty to any technology or >>>> company, I use both systems and dislike both. I would respectfully >>>> say that Apple's accessibility has not so much taken steps backwards >>>> but, and I particularly refer to braille, jumped backwards over the edge >>>> of a cliff. >>>> I also agree with you, Google has come a long way in terms of access. >>>> However, they had a very long way to go to bring their accessibility >>>> to a usable state. The old example, of a student who scored ten >>>> percent and then scored sixty percent three months later is relevant. >>>> Yes, he has come a long way, but he's still not a good student. >>>> Google is very much in that position. You're quite right to say that >>>> many of the issues are usability ones and have workarounds, but I >>>> have reached the point where I wonder why blind users are supposed to >>>> suffer through using workarounds if other people don't. I may also >>>> say that for those of us with hearing impairments a good many of Google's >>>> workarounds simply don't work. >>>> To get back to media players, I understand the perfectly reasonable >>>> desire for decent sound for those who can benefit from it. I share >>>> the desire for physical controls. I would be tempted, though, to >>>> focus on sound production and physical controls on their own. Keep in >>>> mind that, with tasker and autoinput, you can even use a wired keypad >>>> to provide physical controls to a device with USB OTG. You need not use >>>> Bluetooth. >>>> As I said, it may also be possible to use a USB device with a DAC to >>>> produce better sound than whatever manufacturers of phones/tablets >>>> start with. Finally, if your desire is for physical controls and >>>> better sound reproduction, it may be worth looking at the single >>>> board machines we discussed here earlier. These can often run Linux >>>> and support for physical controls and DACs is more developed on that >>>> platform than on Android. Basically, I'm suggesting that, besides the >>>> many detriments you list below, Dane, there are no, or at least not >>>> many, benefits to using a specialized Android media player. In most >>>> cases, any benefits can be obtained more easily in a different way. >>>> Aman >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>>> >>>> Es you may say so <smile> >>>> From the start of this thread I’ve been emphasising that >>>> accessibility for Android Media Players just isn’t on the radar for >>>> several reasons. >>>> Firstly Android is absolutely open to developers thus they can use >>>> whatever version of Android they like and customise Android to what >>>> suits their product thus its more than likely that portable Media >>>> Players will be running say Android 3 or earlier. >>>> Android 3 was pretty awful when it came to accessibility and nothing >>>> much really happened with accessibility until Android 5 when things >>>> improved out of sight - just my opinion through experience -. >>>> Secondly with Media Players who knows what sort of interface you’re >>>> going to get, a touch screen? A wheel that just keeps spinning? A >>>> control strip? This obviously complicates accessibility even further. >>>> And third who knows with a Media Player if you’re able to install >>>> extra Apps which you may need to do to make the player accessible. >>>> Some Media Players lend themselves to further customisation whereas >>>> others are closed. >>>> Some have processors that just aren’t powerful enough to handle too >>>> many extra Apps or have a limited amount of RAM. >>>> So here we are back at point A again, looking for that accessible >>>> portable music player with Android could be a huge waste of time >>>> unless you know of some specific machine that’s running preferably >>>> the latest version of Android, that has quite a bit of RAM - 1GB at >>>> the very minimum I’d reckon - and has or will allow you to go to the >>>> Google Play store or give you access to the system to install Google >>>> Talkback. >>>> Does this sound like a Mobile Phone or tablet? >>>> As far as Google and accessibility? Well nothing is perfect and I’m >>>> not defending Google over anyone else. >>>> Some may argue that Apple with accessibility may have gone backwards >>>> with IOS but that’s another discussion for another list perhaps. >>>> I believe that Google have come a long way with Android to the point >>>> where its certainly good enough for use with the general public. >>>> Yes like everything else there are a few issues but they’re usability >>>> more than accessibility and there are workarounds. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 10 Jun 2018, at 6:36 am, Aman Singer <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Dane and all, >>>>> >>>>> There is, if I may say so, a deep problem with Android >>>>> accessibility, in my view. First, Google is obviously running this >>>>> as a boxchecking exercise, and that lack of interest spreads >>>>> throughout all Android products. There are, of course, devices which >>>>> are better than others in accessibility, but even the best aren't as >>>>> accessible as they could be, and there are some which are absolutely >>>>> hopeless. I suspect, as I think you do, that some of the media >>>>> players will be the hopeless ones. One of the saddest accessibility >>>>> stories in the past thirty years, for the blind and deafblind at >>>>> least, has been Android. There was a huge amount of potential and it >>>>> has been wasted. The reasons for the waste are debatable, the fact of the >>>>> waste is, I think, not debatable at all. >>>>> Things could have been done much better, they weren't. >>>>> Aman >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>>> Dane Trethowan >>>>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 7:19 AM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>>>> >>>>> Yep a fair suggestion. >>>>> Of course all this depends on how accessible the portable Android >>>>> media player is or can be made to be which is the 40 million dollar >>>>> question but to me to be perfectly honest its all a lot of mucking >>>>> around and for what? >>>>> I mentioned I have a Sony xPeria X-Performance, they're old hack as >>>>> far as phones go now so why not pick yourself up one of these for a >>>>> bargain price if you still can and.. well.. work from there. >>>>> Yep, add the Bluetooth control you're talking about, have full >>>>> accessibility with your choice of music player, stream to other >>>>> devices in your house along with Bluetooth speakers, enjoy high >>>>> quality sound through your headphones, amazing battery life etc. >>>>> From what I've seen thus far of portable Android music players >>>>> accessibility is just a pure waste of time in the main. >>>>> Always happy to be proved wrong of course. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Aman >>>>> Singer >>>>> Sent: Friday, 8 June 2018 9:12 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I realize this is perilously close to heresy, but I detest touch >>>>> screens and sympathise with any desire for physical buttons. If I >>>>> may ask, though, why not use a Bluetooth remote which has such >>>>> buttons? See, just for example >>>>> https://satechi.net/products/satechi-bluetooth-multi-media-remote >>>>> You can get the best, more or less, of both worlds, physical >>>>> buttons and a generally available, non-premium-priced, Android media >>>>> player. As for the audio quality, I'm not the person to talk about >>>>> that but it does seem to be possible to plug a USB DAC into some Android >>>>> devices. >>>>> HTH, >>>>> Aman >>>>> >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>>> Anders Holmberg >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 5:29 AM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Portable media players with android. >>>>> >>>>> Hi! >>>>> Yes that’s a truth for sure. >>>>> I was just thinking of if there were other functions that the phone >>>>> didn’t have. >>>>> For example physical buttons for play and stop and such, even though >>>>> its not hard to stop and play from the touch screen. >>>>> Also i am a bit dissapointed about the audio from the nokia 8 i have. >>>>> Its good via bluetooth but the 3.5 mm jack could have been better on >>>>> such a device. >>>>> THe Iphone SE i have is far better there in my opinion. >>>>> /A >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ********** Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the halfwits in this world behind. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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