Andy you would get an interesting version of the kind of recordings
people make with the Ambeo mic. Or Rode's new NT-SF1. It would be indeed
more truer 3D. As you now have back to front info as well. We'll deal
with this kind of ambesonic audio later on another thread if you'd like
because it's a bit different even the procesing. It is more like what
I'm into though. But I wana do true 5.1 or if I had an F8N full 7.1. All
though with the Rode plug in for a DAW you supposedly can take your
ambesonic audio you got with your NTSF1 and even spread it all out to
full 7.1.4 Dolby Atmos surround sound. I'm totally down for that.
On 5/14/2020 9:01 AM, Andy via groups.io wrote:
Hi again Georgina.
they are on 6ft of good quality cable, Splitting in to a Y about 2 ft
from the end.
These 2 microphones are the size of a rubber on a pencil, and held
onto Gold plated Sure clips, that can individually change through a
variety of degrees, with each turn, it's a steady solid movement, so
you know what degree you are at .
I normally keep the cable under a flease, so I'm not tripping up on
these.
the Crockadyle grabs are quite sharp and grip onto your collors very
snugly indeed.
I love these microphones and dying to buy another set,
no I'm no good at all at spending money on a websit, as I seem to get
lost filling in my bank details.
I think I clicked on Contact Us, so you can describe what you are
looking for.
I found them very helpfull in helping you out. I tried the other
week back and left a message of my rquirements, so they could make up
a bundle and a Ref no, but they did not get back to me. Perhaps it's
lock-down and this part of sales is currently closed.
I have an English friend who has some sight and he is going to get me
a set after I send him a bank transfer for the item and postage from
England to Scotland.
You'll not be disapointed with them.
The salesman I spoke to a year or so ago, stated that I'd also require
an XLR adaptor as these microphones only have a single small minnyjack.
The very small wind screens are however, a pain and easilly lost on a
windy day. I'm going to buy a pack of small elastic bands and roll
these over the screen to hold them on snugly.
As they don't use Phantom power you need a small battery pack, which
takes a small pp9 battery. You can purchase ths at the same time.
Incidentally, I was wondering what what kind of sound I'd get on my
Zoom F8n if I purchased 2 sets and attached the second set on my
colour at the back? 3d perhaps
perhaps?
Andy.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom
Hello Andy,
I just tried ordering those mics. However, I couldn’t find
information about international shipping. Nor how many microphones
were in the package. i.e. Is this a pair of microphones as you would
expect to get the binaural affect? Are there 2 mics on one Shure clip?
How do you wear or carry them?
Thanks,
Gena
On 14 May 2020, at 01:10, Andy via groups.io
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Casy.
It's:
https://www.microphones.com/microphone.cfm?urlid=BSM-9
----- Original Message -----
From: "Casey" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
To: <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom
Hi what site do you get thees microphones from?
And about how much do they cost?
On 5/13/2020 4:37 PM, Andy via groups.Io wrote:
Hi Hamit and list.
Please dont underestimate the Binaural sound of street recording.
I've already purchased 3 sets of BSM 9 Binaural microphones from
America and as far as I'm concerned the are the bestBinaural
microphones on the market today.
.
I'm hoping to purchase a 4th pair but this time, I'm hoping to also
purchase an XLR adaptore that will convert my mini jack to an XLR
along with a small power pack to plug directly into my Zoom F8n!
So please don't underestimate these wonderful microphones.
Here is a very good example of what I'm talking about.
Earlier today I wrote a mest to Georgena as follows:
Hi again Georgina.
You would not probabally believe this Georgena, unless you put your
trust in me totally.
About 15 years ago, when I still held some residual vision, I made
a podcast called Andy's farm.
This was posted to Blind Cool Tec and the feedback I got from all
over America was absolutely fantastic and very encouraging.
Sadly BCT no longer exscists and I'd love this group to try and do
something the same, with podcasts along with sight seeing tours
etc. Unfortunately this is yet only another dream!
I was a recently retired visual impairment manager and Pauline was
a mental health nurse.
It's a lovely podcast when my wife and i were in our middle 40's.
Pauline and I live in a farm, that is, what is now communly know
here in Scotland as a Small Holding.
I had very recently retired as a visual impairment manager with my
local authority and Pauline was a mental health nurse.
Georgina. This place called Meikle Aiden farm was paid outright and
Pauline and I lived a very special dream.
We have loads of land with set aside just for the wiled burds,
rabits and hedhogs and it was just glorious and filled with love
and happyness and we had loads of pets and friends from the
wildside community, like Guess, Chickens, ducks, Dogs and Cats. It
was beutiful.
.
Pauline was hoping to wright a book about our love and struggle we
shared hoping that some people may be interested in her book.
Because of her commitments that still eccist , she sadellly did not
get around to starting this.
So I made a podcast called Andy's Farm and I still listen to it
today and feel very sad for all our dogs and cats that have past on
since.
The remarkable thing about this Georgina. is that my podcaste was
recorded using a basic Olympus DM 50 along with a pair of Bsm
Binauaral microphones series 9 from America.
The quality of the sound in the podcaste i think is remarkable,
giving the fact that all of my recording equitment cost little more
than £100.
It makes me wonder why have I now have a Zoom F8n and why I'm ready
to spend hundreds of pounds on specialised microphones.
So I'm suggesting start by going cheep as I did, learn about sound
recording and move up only when You'r sure there is an improvement
there for you.
Regarding andy's farm, you can download my old podcaste from the
following site:
Sendspace.
https://www.sendspace.com/file/o30z3i
Please, please consider this podcast and let me know if you think a
£100 total bill for the equipment was worthwhile .
Very best wishes.
Andy.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
To: <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom
Ah well then as far as binaural goes Larry from APH did it with in
ear mics. So these you put in your ear like earpods. They use your
ear canal to help shape the sound. He went to work at APH with
them and an IRiver recorder. I like the effect, but I don't like
how binaural mics as they are little mini me things that go in
your ear have an ear bud quality to them. They don't sound as good
as an actual mic you hold in your hand.
On 5/13/2020 4:59 PM, John Gurd via groups.io <http://groups.io/>
wrote:
I love binaural recordings. Although, as a wee flight of fancy,
for that authentic effect you'd want a plastic head to clip them
to, or maybe, a head brace to clip them to your own head to be
fully immersive as you walk down the street. Lol.
Seriously though, I wonder what the most practical way would be
to port these things as a blind pedestrian making a mobile
recording in a city street? I'd love to try it.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of
Georgina Joyce
Sent: 13 May 2020 19:46
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom
Hello,
Not sure if it is these Andy referred to. I would not consider
them as being expensive.
https://www.microphonemadness.com/mm-bsm-9-binaural-stereo-microphones-omni-directional-with-shure-premium-holding-clips.html
Apologies, Andy, I didn’t answer your question but as the link
suggests you are right in that they are omnidirectional. I ham
going to see if I can add them to my collection. They would be fun.
Regards,
On 13 May 2020, at 19:22, Anders Holmberg
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi!
What are these bsm 9 mics?
I guess they’re really expensive in price.
/A
13 maj 2020 kl. 00:51 skrev Georgina Joyce <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>:
Hello Andy,
The better way and professional way is to mic up each member of
the band with a mic that has the dynamic range of that sound
source. So a mic for a guitarist is different to that for a
vocalist. If the band wanted you to make a CD for them this is
what you need to do. These mics would be cardioid polar pattern.
Right at the other end you have a covert recording where you
would have a smart phone or other recording device in your
pocket and wear a tie pin omnidirectional microphone. Such a
recording will not include the close up details as the above
professional recording.
Somewhere in the middle of those two extremes is where in the
real every day world that we live in. The disadvantage of the
omnidirectional is that it picks up everything, so in the pub
situation someone puts a glass down on the table and it is now
a part of the music. I think every pub has a squeaky door, so
when someone goes to the toilet, those sounds become a part of
the music. It is not until we start recording we realise how
much our mind filters out. If we want to hear the band we
unconsciously filter out the noise made by the others in the
audience. But the recorder does not filter this out, if the mic
hears it then it is heard on the recording. Which actually can
sound better than a studio recording because it has character.
In answer to your question. I don’t know. It is for you to try
different mics in different situations so that you learn what
you like. But you have said that you want a big sound stage
which means you want a omnidirectional. When you have
experienced the limitations of those mics you might want to
narrow the stage to get less of the unwanted noise and better
subject matter. It is only you who knows what you want to gain
and how much you want to learn against how much you just want
to get the job done. We are not computers so can’t be
programmed to understand we need some experience to work from.
You have done a recording of a dawn chorus and it is up to you.
Either to accept that is how it is or think how can I make the
next one different.
Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 23:15, Andy via groups.io
<http://groups.io/><[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi again Georgina.
I understand what you are saying about viewing a TV, in terms
of sound. So I need to consentrate on an dinamic
omnidirectional microphone, to get a wider picture?
Funny though, for I'm also hoping to buy another set of BSM
9's Binaural clip on Microphones from America. These are
fantastic microphones with a very good bridth of sound,
particually when out and about in a city with all the traffic
and street sounds. Is this type of microphone known as an
omnidirectional microphone also?
It seems to me that now I may know the type of microphone I
need, I can forget all about other types of mics.
It also sounds to me that, to record a five piece accustic
band, at my local pubwho are normall about 15 ft away covering
an area length of about 12 ft is achievable using such a
microphone as would be recording bird calls some 25 Ft above
my head, to the front, covering a distance of about 30 Ft.
So tomorrow I'll look at the Accessable Youtube and search
only for omnidirectional microphones? There will still be
hundreds of varying models though.
Need to be very mindful however about what you were saying
about moisture, particularry when out early in the morning
with a heavy morning duew.
Very best wishes.
Andy.
Very best wishes.
Andy.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
To: <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom
Hello Andy,
If you were able to watch a television would you want to stand
back and get the whole picture with reasonable detail. Then
you want a omnidirectional microphone that you can protect
from the weather. As some condenser mics are easily destroyed
by moisture. So on that logic you are looking at a dynamic
omnidirectional. The quality is dependent upon the size of
your wallet.
However, if you want more detailed image then you would get
closer to the television and just focus upon a smaller area
but at greater death and detail. The Shotguns would record
birds in a small group of trees not one bird in a particular
tree as others have suggested. The cardioid pattern is like
imagining the mic has a funnel on the end of it. So the
further from the mic the wider the spread. But never to its
sides or back. Thus if you had a noisy road or farm machinery
you could place the mic so those sources are behind the mic.
It is fun to try different microphones and see what harvests
your fields. If you do use a quiet dynamic microphone you
might want to consider using a fethead so that you don’t have
to crank up those pre-amps. They are really terrible on the H6.
Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 18:33, Andy via groups.io
<http://groups.io/><[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi all.
Getting more confused as the day goes on.
The Road NT1 is a no-no as I normally listen to sounds in
sterio - it's just the way I am. Perhaps the NT1 is a
fantastic Podcast microphone, but just about everything that
I'm keen on recording requires a degree of width,
I'm totally not interested in recording a single bird, though
I can see the attraction if making a collection of birds
inone country or area.
Know, for a down chorus I'd be looking for a sterio outdoor
microphone with a wide spread.
For example, here is a sample of my own International Dawn
Chorus, recorded at my farm on the 3 May, using the Zoom H6
with the clip on right angle microphone.
Can you guess what is wrong with my recording?
https://www.sendspace.com/file/ox1jos
I have now purchased the newer Zoom F8n and wish a XLR sterio
Microphone with a very good Dead Cat because my place is
about 300 feet above the River Clyde, so is rather windy. -
What do they use in Texas???
Hamit suggests that if the Nt1 is not for me, then perhaps I
should look at the NT4. So I looked it up in Accessable
Youtube .
It's about £600 and is a USB microphone, which I think would
make it a good podcasting microphone, for a home studio
computer.
So I'm at a bit of a loss at the moment and need to give it a
lote more consideration.
Perhaps I can find out what I'm looking for using the link:
How to Record Bird Songs and Calls - Nature Recording |
Audubon, provided earlier today by Gena.
Very best wishes.
Andy.
for -----
Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
To: <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom
Hello John,
Fare point, as Andrew had done some research and considered
that a shotgun might be the solution I thought he was wanting
to focus upon one bird or those birds in a small area. As I
pointed out the pickup area is shown as a heart shape. The
number of channels does not express the polar pattern. If
Andrew wants to record a wide stage then that is an
omnidirectional microphone he requires. Not a stereo unless
it is omnidirectional. Of course, if andrew wants that
binaural affect then again it is something else. Thus there
are plenty of options for Andy and many choices and it is for
him to decide what the end result is that he requires. i.e.
What size stage does Andy want?
There is a youtube reviewer of microphones who dances around
the microphones so you can hear the extent of the pattern.
Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 15:43, John Gurd via groups.io
<http://groups.io/><[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I had a look at the link. Most bird watchers want to
focus-record an individual bird song sometimes out of many
background songs. A dawn Chorus is all the birds in the area
- not just a single bird. As Hamit suggests a stereo mike
might be more likely to do this successfully.
PS: last time I heard Andy was living in rural Scotland, so
maybe not a big garden, but a lot of habitat. I know birds
are territorial, but they tend to sing from adjoining
gardens to, and I'm sure Andy isn't so possessive he only
wants the birds singing in just his garden alone. You'll
find a dawn chorus is just as big weather heard from a small
garden or an estate for that very reason. 😉
John
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf
Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 12 May 2020 14:41
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom
Hello John,
They don’t cut out sharply it’s usually shown as a heart
shape tapering down to the point. Obviously, Andy has done
some research and his post caused me to do so as I use a
shotgun in the booth. Andy did not want ambient sound. He
wanted to record bird song from his garden. Unless he lives
in a huge estate it is not going to be that wide of a field.
I found that bird watchers use a shotgun mic although this
is with a camera. Even professional sound recordist uses a
shotgun. See this:
https://www.audubon.org/news/a-beginners-guide-recording-bird-vocalizations
Regards,
On 12 May 2020, at 14:20, John Gurd via groups.io
<http://groups.io/><[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
From what I've read a shot-gun mike is so directional that
even being off-target a little will result in poor quality
sound. I doubt it would be the best for ambient recordings.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On
Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: 11 May 2020 14:16
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom
Hello Andy,
It is down to you and how much you want to spend. I follow
the Booth Junky who uses a shotgun microphone a lot. He
uses the Sennheiser MKH-416. I haven’t been able to afford
one of those but I do have the MKH-166 which I purchased
used from eBay. I absolutely love it and is my mic of
choice. I think that would really do the job.
Regards,
On 11 May 2020, at 13:25, Andy via groups.io
<http://groups.io/><[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi all.
I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only
microphones I have are the 2 clip on ones that I
origionally got with the H6.
I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but
don't have a clue as to which microphone , or best type,
to buy and where to buy it.
I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a
large Dead-Cat windscreen, and also about 3 meters of
cable with the appropriate XLR plugs.
Can anyone please give me some advice.
Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up. I think I've changed an
inportant option within the menues. I tried recording bird
calls and the recording was extremely poor. Is there
perhaps a function within the H6 that Re-sets the device
back to factory settings.
I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise
pelution silence to get very nice recordings. If so I'd
love to here some samples.
Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves.
Andy Logue from Scotland.
Gena
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