Somewhere in this chain, someone
said, "'Microsoft like' GUI operating features are a
defacto industry standard" (I can't tell who, because I get lost among
the >, >>, and >>> symbols).
Just because something is an "industry standard", or new, or cute is no
reason why it is necessary, good, useful, or desirable. Microsoft
software, in general, is the industry leader in foisting the new and
cute however useless features upon us.
Fortunately, with a few exceptions, Amibroker, seems to have been
careful to select some of the more useful over the just new and cute.
Yes, there are a few exceptions. Consider the following two examples:
1. In the AmiBroker editor, when one tries to highlight some text by
dragging the mouse, rather than highlighting only text that the mouse
was dragged over, other text is highlighted as well so as to select
complete words or phrases. I find this to be a nuisance. I do not
need or want AmiBroker to decide what I should and should not be
choosing with my mouse. My guess is that this feature (bug) is a part
of some M$ function which Thomasz chose to use rather than to write
from scratch. For this reason, whenever, I have a significant amount
of .afl editing to do, I use TextPad instead of AmiBroker's editor.
2. AmiBroker has gone way overboard with custom docking of the
Symbols, Layers, Charts, etc. panes. In earlier versions these were
all in a tray to the left of the chart panes. When they were first
made movable, I tried to move them, and then spend hours trying to get
them back to the way they were originally. I was only successful after
someone posted instructions on the Yahoo-Amibroker forum. After this
first effort, I tried this 'feature' a couple more times because I
would like to simply hide, and unhide all seven panes all at once with
a single mouse click. However, the present implementation with all its
cuteness and freedom is just not worth the effort.
I apologize if the above is to much like a rant. Despite what I said
above, I believe Amibroker is one the best application programs
available.
-- Keith
brian.z123 wrote:
Hello Fred,
Do you think it is better to close AmiBroker, go to Windows Explorer
and manage database deletion from there (you will have to remember
which database you last nominated as the default in
tools/preferences)
OR
go to AB file/delete whilst Amibroker is open and delete the old
databases from there?
Regards,
BrianB2.
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ps.com,
"Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED].> wrote:
>
> What ??? ... No MP3 Player ?! ... and I was so hoping that
eventually
> I'd automatically get a popup video that would not only show me
the
> error of my ways in coding and of course automatically fix them,
but
> would also perform the same function for non profitable
systems ...
> Waaaaaaa ...
>
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ps.com,
"Tomasz Janeczko" <groups@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Just few thoughts about things you mentioned in your reply.
> >
> > > I made it quite clear that I was referring to 'industry
standard'
> > > features that are lacking in the program in general
> >
> > There are no "industry standard" features lacking in the
program
in
> general.
> > AmiBroker features GUI fully conforming to LATEST UI
standards,
> > including most modern UI look ("Whidbey or 2006 look").
> > For more info see:
> > http://www.amibroker.com/guide/h_customizeui.html
> >
> > Actually no other T/A platform has such modern, aestetical
and
> configurable
> > interface as AmiBroker has.
> >
> > Just install any other T/A software and you will quickly see
> > how outdated they are compared to AmiBroker when it comes to
UI.
> >
> > > ... and the workspace in particular
> >
> > I don't know exactly what you mean with the workspace. The
old
> workspace pane is gone
> > in 4.80 as all tabs are now fully configurable and detachable.
> >
> > If you mean symbol tree or chart tree then there are several
ideas
> floating around
> > how to make it better but it functionality outpaces most
other
T/A
> softwares
> > (for example Metastock has no built in support for categories
at
> all and
> > its indicator list is flat (without folders at all) ).
> >
> > That said it does not mean that things can not be made even
better.
> >
> > > My proposition is that 'Microsoft like' GUI operating
features
> are a
> > > defacto industry standard (sorry Mac, Linux users etc -
I
don't
> know
> > > anything about those systems).
> >
> > I wrote you : AmIBroker GUI already features newest
and "coolest"
> and
> > up-to most recent Microsoft-fashion GUI design in T/A world.
> >
> > I am afraid you mixup two things: you say GUI when thinking
about
> some
> > particular feature such as for example updating your watch
list
> from AmiQuote
> > (instead of full symbol list). This isn't GUI. This is a
> convenience feature.
> >
> > As to:
> >
> > > Easy management of old/trial databases.
> > > Allow removal of parts of database that are known to be
incorrect
> > > while retaining other parts.
> > > REPLY by Tomasz Janeczko
> > > status - Closed
> > > Status - Functionality exists
> >
> > why did I close this issue ? Simply because it is:
> > a) achievable simply using Windows Explorer - you can delete
> database files/directories.
> > The meaning of files is described in the User's Guide:
> > http://www.amibroker.com/guide/h_workspace.html
> > and
> > http://www.amibroker.com/guide/x_files.html
> >
> > b) rarely used once you start actual trading.
> > It could be used more often in phase when you
are "experimenting"
> but
> > once you are done with experiments and start trading the need
to
> delete database
> > may appear once or twice a week at most. So I don't see any
problem
> in using
> > Windows Explorer once or twice a week.
> >
> > I understand that you would like to have everything included
(maybe
> MP3 player too),
> > but for me it has such low priority that I have to scratch
that
as
> there are things
> > hundreds of times more important than this.
> >
> >
> > > If I don't post any new examples in the future it will
only be
> > > because I choose to conserve my energy and/or that I am
not
> entirely
> > > comfortable in the feedback center (it is not democratic
enough
> for
> > > my liking).
> >
> > Well democracy may be good idea for ruling countries,
> > but when it comes to software development there has to be
someone
> > who directs the show and is responsible for the whole thing.
> > Democracy in software development does not exist. Even open
source
> > projects have "leaders" that ultimately decide and their
decision
> is final and binding.
> >
> > Still you will find AmiBroker one of the most user-oriented
company
> in T/A software world,
> > listening to users and implementing features asked for.
> >
> > AmiBroker is written entirely by me so I fully control its
> development and
> > direction in which it evolves.
> > While you are welcome to suggest things please do not expect
me
to
> explain each and every decision of mine.
> > I have good reasons to do what I do and I am doing my best to
make
> good decisions.
> > My goal is to get most bang for the buck. When it comes to
> marketing it means that you get great program for low price.
> > When it comes to development it means to spend time on most
> critical features and features used by majority first and postpone
> > less important / rarely used things.
> >
> > The fact that AmiBroker is around for 11 years now means that
my
> choices were not that bad.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Tomasz Janeczko
> > amibroker.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "brian.z123" <brian.z123@>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]ps.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 4:46 AM
> > Subject: [amibroker] Re: Indicator Maintenance
> >
> >
> > > Hello Tomasz,
> > >
> > > Thanks for your reply and consideration of my points.
> > >
> > > I made it quite clear that I was referring to 'industry
standard'
> > > features that are lacking in the program in general and
the
> > > workspace in particular so it is not a fair response
that you
> only
> > > refer to a few particular features that are actually
available
in
> > > one 'pane' of the workspace alone.
> > >
> > > I specifically acknowledged that I was wearing my 'new
user'
hat
> and
> > > that my arguments were 'off the top of my head' (it is
generally
> > > accepted in 'creative or problem solving' sessions that
it is
> best
> > > not to censor the output in the intitial phase).
> > > I don't think you will find one single example in any
post I
have
> > > made in any forum where I have failed to back up my
> opening 'silly'
> > > statements if challenged (there are one or two
exceptions
where I
> > > withdrew but that was done to protect others, not me).
> > > I also already conceded; 'That (my comments are) of
course ...
> only
> > > a personal opinion and perhaps my views will change as I
spend
> more
> > > time in the program.'
> > >
> > > Ergonomics is a relatively new word.
> > > One way it is used is as a measure of 'energy efficiency
within
> work
> > > processes'.
> > > That is what I meant when I used it and within the
context of
> > > computer programs my measure of ergonomic efficiency is
the
> number
> > > of mouse clicks required to perform a set task and also
the
ease
> > > with which we can replicate that task at a later date
(from
> memory?)
> > >
> > > My Office assistant is turned off and always has been.
> > >
> > > I stand by my comments that AB lacks ergonomics,
training and
> detail
> > > in part or partss.
> > >
> > >
> > > My Proposition:
> > >
> > > My proposition is that 'Microsoft like' GUI operating
features
> are a
> > > defacto industry standard (sorry Mac, Linux users etc -
I
don't
> know
> > > anything about those systems).
> > > My expectation of programs is that they will equal or
surpass
> > > the 'industry standard'.
> > > Of course that is a very general statement that can't be
easily
> > > debated without specific examples and in this case I
didn't
> provide
> > > any.
> > > All I ask, at any time, is that each suggestion is
considered
on
> its
> > > own merit and not 'marked' according to the status of
the
poster
> or
> > > the prejudices of individual forum members.
> > > My confidence in that area is a little down at the
moment.
> > >
> > >
> > > Re: a specific example from within the database of
existing
posts
> > >
> > >
******************************************************************
> > >
> > > Post #195 from the feedback center.
> > > subject - delete old databases from file menu
> > >
> > > I said:
> > > Consider selection of partial deletions for anything
than can
be
> > > separated out i.e retain data and delete categories
> > > (broker workspace) and vice-versa, layouts?
> > >
> > > Reason.
> > >
> > > Easy management of old/trial databases.
> > > Allow removal of parts of database that are known to be
incorrect
> > > while retaining other parts.
> > > If database is current or default AB will 'know' and
make
> > > announcement and/or adjustment.
> > >
> > >
> > > You said:
> > > REPLY by Tomasz Janeczko
> > > status - Closed
> > > Status - Functionality exists
> > >
> > > If you mean most recently used database list in File
menu -
non-
> > > existing folders ALREADY gets deleted from the menu.
> > > Just delete the directory using Windows explorer and
next time
> you
> > > run AmiBroker it won't show up in the File menu.
> > >
> > >
> *******************************************************************
> > >
> > > Admittedly I did not explain myself very well at the
feedback
> > > center, but I did follow up later with an email via
support
that
> > > clarified and detailed my case.
> > > You could have also asked for further clarification at
the
> feedback
> > > center if you weren't sure what I meant.
> > >
> > >
> > > What is the 'industry standard' for file management
within
> programs?
> > >
> > > Go to the program file menu and delete the old program
> > > files/databases that the user no longer requires.
> > > View all of the program files/databases in a
hierarchical tree
> and
> > > enact commands from there.
> > >
> > > What is the AB standard?
> > >
> > > Close AB (or go out of AB?), go to Windows Explorer and
delete
> old
> > > databases from there.
> > >
> > > What specific delete features could AB provide that MS
can not
be
> > > expected to?
> > >
> > > If the user attempts to delete a database that is
selected in
AB
> > > preferences as the default, Windows Explorer will not
delete
it.
> > > If file/delete existed in AB the user could be given a
> message 'this
> > > database can not be deleted as it is the default. To
delete
this
> > > database go to tools etc'.
> > >
> > > The AB database folder also contains components that
have
extra
> > > relevance to the user. The user might want to keep the
symbol
> > > lists/categories and just delete all price data.
> > > File/delete in AB could provide users with appropriate
delete
> > > options to do that type of thing and also warn as to the
> > > consequences of each action.
> > >
> > > The above, existing case, is a reasonable example of
> the 'industry
> > > standard'/AB gap.
> > > At the least it is worthy of consideration and
discussion.
> > > If I don't post any new examples in the future it will
only be
> > > because I choose to conserve my energy and/or that I am
not
> entirely
> > > comfortable in the feedback center (it is not democratic
enough
> for
> > > my liking).
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> >
>
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