Hello Keith, I started the MS GUI one (I have no shame at all).
I agree that there is no point in asking for 'ergonomic' features just for the sake of it; it is horses for courses. Heaven forbid that AB would be just like MS. I am fine with AB being AB. Agreed that Microsoft are not above criticism either. Thanks for your interesting points. Nothing wrong with a good rant, although I wouldn't put your post in that category. Regards, BrianB2. --- In [email protected], Keith McCombs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Somewhere in this chain, someone said, "'Microsoft like' GUI operating > features are a defacto industry standard" (I can't tell who, because I > get lost among the >, >>, and >>> symbols). > > Just because something is an "industry standard", or new, or cute is no > reason why it is necessary, good, useful, or desirable. Microsoft > software, in general, is the industry leader in foisting the new and > cute however useless features upon us. > > Fortunately, with a few exceptions, Amibroker, seems to have been > careful to select some of the more useful over the just new and cute. > Yes, there are a few exceptions. Consider the following two examples: > > 1. In the AmiBroker editor, when one tries to highlight some text by > dragging the mouse, rather than highlighting only text that the mouse > was dragged over, other text is highlighted as well so as to select > complete words or phrases. I find this to be a nuisance. I do not need > or want AmiBroker to decide what I should and should not be choosing > with my mouse. My guess is that this feature (bug) is a part of some M$ > function which Thomasz chose to use rather than to write from scratch. > For this reason, whenever, I have a significant amount of .afl editing > to do, I use TextPad instead of AmiBroker's editor. > > 2. AmiBroker has gone way overboard with custom docking of the Symbols, > Layers, Charts, etc. panes. In earlier versions these were all in a > tray to the left of the chart panes. When they were first made movable, > I tried to move them, and then spend hours trying to get them back to > the way they were originally. I was only successful after someone > posted instructions on the Yahoo-Amibroker forum. After this first > effort, I tried this 'feature' a couple more times because I would like > to simply hide, and unhide all seven panes all at once with a single > mouse click. However, the present implementation with all its cuteness > and freedom is just not worth the effort. > > I apologize if the above is to much like a rant. Despite what I said > above, I believe Amibroker is one the best application programs available. > > -- Keith > > brian.z123 wrote: > > > > Hello Fred, > > > > Do you think it is better to close AmiBroker, go to Windows Explorer > > and manage database deletion from there (you will have to remember > > which database you last nominated as the default in > > tools/preferences) > > > > OR > > > > go to AB file/delete whilst Amibroker is open and delete the old > > databases from there? > > > > Regards, > > > > BrianB2. > > > > --- In [email protected] <mailto:amibroker% 40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Fred" <ftonetti@> wrote: > > > > > > What ??? ... No MP3 Player ?! ... and I was so hoping that > > eventually > > > I'd automatically get a popup video that would not only show me > > the > > > error of my ways in coding and of course automatically fix them, > > but > > > would also perform the same function for non profitable > > systems ... > > > Waaaaaaa ... > > > > > > --- In [email protected] > > <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>, "Tomasz Janeczko" <groups@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Just few thoughts about things you mentioned in your reply. > > > > > > > > > I made it quite clear that I was referring to 'industry > > standard' > > > > > features that are lacking in the program in general > > > > > > > > There are no "industry standard" features lacking in the program > > in > > > general. > > > > AmiBroker features GUI fully conforming to LATEST UI standards, > > > > including most modern UI look ("Whidbey or 2006 look"). > > > > For more info see: > > > > http://www.amibroker.com/guide/h_customizeui.html > > <http://www.amibroker.com/guide/h_customizeui.html> > > > > > > > > Actually no other T/A platform has such modern, aestetical and > > > configurable > > > > interface as AmiBroker has. > > > > > > > > Just install any other T/A software and you will quickly see > > > > how outdated they are compared to AmiBroker when it comes to UI. > > > > > > > > > ... and the workspace in particular > > > > > > > > I don't know exactly what you mean with the workspace. The old > > > workspace pane is gone > > > > in 4.80 as all tabs are now fully configurable and detachable. > > > > > > > > If you mean symbol tree or chart tree then there are several > > ideas > > > floating around > > > > how to make it better but it functionality outpaces most other > > T/A > > > softwares > > > > (for example Metastock has no built in support for categories at > > > all and > > > > its indicator list is flat (without folders at all) ). > > > > > > > > That said it does not mean that things can not be made even > > better. > > > > > > > > > My proposition is that 'Microsoft like' GUI operating features > > > are a > > > > > defacto industry standard (sorry Mac, Linux users etc - I > > don't > > > know > > > > > anything about those systems). > > > > > > > > I wrote you : AmIBroker GUI already features newest > > and "coolest" > > > and > > > > up-to most recent Microsoft-fashion GUI design in T/A world. > > > > > > > > I am afraid you mixup two things: you say GUI when thinking > > about > > > some > > > > particular feature such as for example updating your watch list > > > from AmiQuote > > > > (instead of full symbol list). This isn't GUI. This is a > > > convenience feature. > > > > > > > > As to: > > > > > > > > > Easy management of old/trial databases. > > > > > Allow removal of parts of database that are known to be > > incorrect > > > > > while retaining other parts. > > > > > REPLY by Tomasz Janeczko > > > > > status - Closed > > > > > Status - Functionality exists > > > > > > > > why did I close this issue ? Simply because it is: > > > > a) achievable simply using Windows Explorer - you can delete > > > database files/directories. > > > > The meaning of files is described in the User's Guide: > > > > http://www.amibroker.com/guide/h_workspace.html > > <http://www.amibroker.com/guide/h_workspace.html> > > > > and > > > > http://www.amibroker.com/guide/x_files.html > > <http://www.amibroker.com/guide/x_files.html> > > > > > > > > b) rarely used once you start actual trading. > > > > It could be used more often in phase when you > > are "experimenting" > > > but > > > > once you are done with experiments and start trading the need to > > > delete database > > > > may appear once or twice a week at most. So I don't see any > > problem > > > in using > > > > Windows Explorer once or twice a week. > > > > > > > > I understand that you would like to have everything included > > (maybe > > > MP3 player too), > > > > but for me it has such low priority that I have to scratch that > > as > > > there are things > > > > hundreds of times more important than this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I don't post any new examples in the future it will only be > > > > > because I choose to conserve my energy and/or that I am not > > > entirely > > > > > comfortable in the feedback center (it is not democratic > > enough > > > for > > > > > my liking). > > > > > > > > Well democracy may be good idea for ruling countries, > > > > but when it comes to software development there has to be someone > > > > who directs the show and is responsible for the whole thing. > > > > Democracy in software development does not exist. Even open > > source > > > > projects have "leaders" that ultimately decide and their > > decision > > > is final and binding. > > > > > > > > Still you will find AmiBroker one of the most user-oriented > > company > > > in T/A software world, > > > > listening to users and implementing features asked for. > > > > > > > > AmiBroker is written entirely by me so I fully control its > > > development and > > > > direction in which it evolves. > > > > While you are welcome to suggest things please do not expect me > > to > > > explain each and every decision of mine. > > > > I have good reasons to do what I do and I am doing my best to > > make > > > good decisions. > > > > My goal is to get most bang for the buck. When it comes to > > > marketing it means that you get great program for low price. > > > > When it comes to development it means to spend time on most > > > critical features and features used by majority first and postpone > > > > less important / rarely used things. > > > > > > > > The fact that AmiBroker is around for 11 years now means that my > > > choices were not that bad. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Tomasz Janeczko > > > > amibroker.com > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "brian.z123" <brian.z123@> > > > > To: <[email protected] <mailto:amibroker% 40yahoogroups.com>> > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 4:46 AM > > > > Subject: [amibroker] Re: Indicator Maintenance > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Tomasz, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply and consideration of my points. > > > > > > > > > > I made it quite clear that I was referring to 'industry > > standard' > > > > > features that are lacking in the program in general and the > > > > > workspace in particular so it is not a fair response that you > > > only > > > > > refer to a few particular features that are actually available > > in > > > > > one 'pane' of the workspace alone. > > > > > > > > > > I specifically acknowledged that I was wearing my 'new user' > > hat > > > and > > > > > that my arguments were 'off the top of my head' (it is > > generally > > > > > accepted in 'creative or problem solving' sessions that it is > > > best > > > > > not to censor the output in the intitial phase). > > > > > I don't think you will find one single example in any post I > > have > > > > > made in any forum where I have failed to back up my > > > opening 'silly' > > > > > statements if challenged (there are one or two exceptions > > where I > > > > > withdrew but that was done to protect others, not me). > > > > > I also already conceded; 'That (my comments are) of course ... > > > only > > > > > a personal opinion and perhaps my views will change as I spend > > > more > > > > > time in the program.' > > > > > > > > > > Ergonomics is a relatively new word. > > > > > One way it is used is as a measure of 'energy efficiency > > within > > > work > > > > > processes'. > > > > > That is what I meant when I used it and within the context of > > > > > computer programs my measure of ergonomic efficiency is the > > > number > > > > > of mouse clicks required to perform a set task and also the > > ease > > > > > with which we can replicate that task at a later date (from > > > memory?) > > > > > > > > > > My Office assistant is turned off and always has been. > > > > > > > > > > I stand by my comments that AB lacks ergonomics, training and > > > detail > > > > > in part or partss. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Proposition: > > > > > > > > > > My proposition is that 'Microsoft like' GUI operating features > > > are a > > > > > defacto industry standard (sorry Mac, Linux users etc - I > > don't > > > know > > > > > anything about those systems). > > > > > My expectation of programs is that they will equal or surpass > > > > > the 'industry standard'. > > > > > Of course that is a very general statement that can't be > > easily > > > > > debated without specific examples and in this case I didn't > > > provide > > > > > any. > > > > > All I ask, at any time, is that each suggestion is considered > > on > > > its > > > > > own merit and not 'marked' according to the status of the > > poster > > > or > > > > > the prejudices of individual forum members. > > > > > My confidence in that area is a little down at the moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: a specific example from within the database of existing > > posts > > > > > > > > > > > > ****************************************************************** > > > > > > > > > > Post #195 from the feedback center. > > > > > subject - delete old databases from file menu > > > > > > > > > > I said: > > > > > Consider selection of partial deletions for anything than can > > be > > > > > separated out i.e retain data and delete categories > > > > > (broker workspace) and vice-versa, layouts? > > > > > > > > > > Reason. > > > > > > > > > > Easy management of old/trial databases. > > > > > Allow removal of parts of database that are known to be > > incorrect > > > > > while retaining other parts. > > > > > If database is current or default AB will 'know' and make > > > > > announcement and/or adjustment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said: > > > > > REPLY by Tomasz Janeczko > > > > > status - Closed > > > > > Status - Functionality exists > > > > > > > > > > If you mean most recently used database list in File menu - > > non- > > > > > existing folders ALREADY gets deleted from the menu. > > > > > Just delete the directory using Windows explorer and next time > > > you > > > > > run AmiBroker it won't show up in the File menu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > Admittedly I did not explain myself very well at the feedback > > > > > center, but I did follow up later with an email via support > > that > > > > > clarified and detailed my case. > > > > > You could have also asked for further clarification at the > > > feedback > > > > > center if you weren't sure what I meant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the 'industry standard' for file management within > > > programs? > > > > > > > > > > Go to the program file menu and delete the old program > > > > > files/databases that the user no longer requires. > > > > > View all of the program files/databases in a hierarchical tree > > > and > > > > > enact commands from there. > > > > > > > > > > What is the AB standard? > > > > > > > > > > Close AB (or go out of AB?), go to Windows Explorer and delete > > > old > > > > > databases from there. > > > > > > > > > > What specific delete features could AB provide that MS can not > > be > > > > > expected to? > > > > > > > > > > If the user attempts to delete a database that is selected in > > AB > > > > > preferences as the default, Windows Explorer will not delete > > it. > > > > > If file/delete existed in AB the user could be given a > > > message 'this > > > > > database can not be deleted as it is the default. To delete > > this > > > > > database go to tools etc'. > > > > > > > > > > The AB database folder also contains components that have > > extra > > > > > relevance to the user. The user might want to keep the symbol > > > > > lists/categories and just delete all price data. > > > > > File/delete in AB could provide users with appropriate delete > > > > > options to do that type of thing and also warn as to the > > > > > consequences of each action. > > > > > > > > > > The above, existing case, is a reasonable example of > > > the 'industry > > > > > standard'/AB gap. > > > > > At the least it is worthy of consideration and discussion. > > > > > If I don't post any new examples in the future it will only be > > > > > because I choose to conserve my energy and/or that I am not > > > entirely > > > > > comfortable in the feedback center (it is not democratic > > enough > > > for > > > > > my liking). > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that this group is for discussion between users only. 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