BrianB2, I no longer have to search Yahoo groups for specific topics of discussion because these threads are now available on Google. I would imagine many of these searchable threads link directly to various files in the Yahoo group files section. If the files are moved, these file links will be broken. The free marketing (bringing in new customers at no cost to AB) this provides will be cut short in its effectiveness. Plus, the free online customer support (via search engines) for the AB tool will suffer.
On the flip side, if a thread links to an obviously outdated file, this will hurt Google's (and other search engines') ability to bring in new customers. How much revenue search engines bring in to AB is something that can likely be meaasured to some degree, or at least estimated. I have seen businesses lose half their revenue in a matter of days because they screw with what's showing up in the search engines. Care **might** be required here to prevent this kind of damage. As much as I am an advocate for organization, I am also an advocate of not ruining a good thing. I should also mention I have far too many projects falling off my plate right now, and there's no way I will be able to help with this project other than to offer free consulting, which is what I am doing right now. It takes minutes to consult. I do not have hours to devote to this right now. It's great you are so willing to step up to the plate and offer help to the AB team and also us AB customers. I see no reason to argue against you from offering your free help, as long as your help is well thought out and strategic. Anyone who wants to help for free is a valuable person to the "team" and should be treated as such, IMO. I certainly don't see people banging down my door to help out with my projects, and I would feel like an aXX for attacking them publicly or ignoring them for it. I recommend you call AB and talk directly with TJ for this project. If he's either too busy to deal with you or he ignores you, politely remind him how often free help comes knocking on one's door in a single lifetime. Free help comes from passionate people. However, don't stoop so low as to "throw pearls before swine" (a common American expression) more than once. Make your offer and then stand back. Therein lies the future of your project. Good luck and best wishes, Bman --- In [email protected], "brian.z123" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Brian, > > Thanks for the offer. > Hold off until the end of the week when I will co-ordinate a > response with AmiBroker support. > I will help further if support recommends any action. > Perhaps we can work together. > It looks like a move to the 3rd party site for some of the files > might keep all parties happy. > > BrianB2. > > --- In [email protected], "brpnw1" <tradermail@> wrote: > > > > Somebody mentioned earlier there's no limitations on Yahoo archive > > space. I might take advantage of that and use it as a reason to > > throw all the old stuff together in one folder, and not spend time > > organizing it. Kind of like when you visit the junk yard to find > the > > part you need. Half the fun is in going through the old junkers. > > Wouldn't want to spoil the sense of ancient history for the > > newcomers. The stuff you found makes for a good junker. > > > > ~Bman > > > > --- In [email protected], "brian.z123" <brian.z123@> > > wrote: > > > > > > ~Bman, > > > > > > I can't criticise your motives which are based on concern for > your > > > fellow man/woman. > > > Frequently it is necessary for leaders to make tough decisions > > based > > > on the greater good e.g do we keep every file for ever because > one > > > person might find it interesting some day or do we delete files > > with > > > little value to make it easier for, say, 100 new users to > research > > > the collection? > > > > > > I don't know about others, but my time is like gold to me and I > > > don't think it is *cool* to rummage around amongst other peoples > > > junk files. > > > > > > I have *quickly* read every file in the database and I am > > confident > > > in saying that a lot of them are a load of old rubbish. > > > When I voted I erred on the side of caution and kept the > doubtful > > > files. > > > I also allowed for a ? vote which indicates I don't know enough > > > about it to make a firm decision. > > > ?'s can stay as far as I am concerned. > > > > > > Here are three examples of the types of files we have: > > > > > > 1. years old zipped collection that contains an executable with > no > > > notes or instructions and no reference to a #message. > > > > > > I don't want to open executables when I don't know what they are > > > going to do. > > > The site that it is referenced to i.e. yahoo sometimes changes > > it's > > > format. > > > The file probably doesn't even work anymore. > > > > > > 2. years old .CSV file with no instructions, no column headings, > > and > > > no reference to #message. > > > It appears to be a ticker list. > > > People are obsessed with stockpiling ticker lists. > > > Sources of current ticker lists are readily available for > download > > > in various places; the exchanges are one good place to start. > > > > > > 3. sound wave files?????????? > > > > > > There are a gazillion and one sound wave files easily optainable > > > from the net. > > > > > > How many of the owners of these files are still active forum > > members > > > or even paid up Ami subscribers? > > > Not one single owner of a file has come forward to say 'My file > is > > > abc123 and this is what it is useful for and it is still > current. > > > Would the forum like me to add some txt instructions?'. > > > Off course they don't have to do that but it makes me wonder. > > > If the owners don't have any pride in their own work why would I > > > place any value on it? > > > > > > That is just three examples but rest assured I considered every > > file > > > carefully and justified my vote to my own conscience. > > > > > > BrianB2. > > > > > > 2. --- In [email protected], "brpnw1" <tradermail@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Removing files does not get my vote. You could be removing > > > something > > > > that has value for somebody else. How can one individual > > determine > > > > the value a file might have for another individual? This is > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > I continue to stupidly delete my own old code that later on I > > find > > > I > > > > need. If I simply archived all my code, this would not be an > > > issue. > > > > So now I archive EVERYTHING. Organization is the bigger issue > > now. > > > > > > > > Removing files should never be necessary. Reorganizing them > > might > > > be > > > > helpful, though. Creating an organization system that can be > > > monkey- > > > > tested on novice users is probably the best way to go. If a > > newbie > > > > can't navigate the file structure to find what they want > quickly > > > and > > > > easily, then don't mess with it in the first place because you > > > will > > > > not have achieved the goal. > > > > > > > > ~Bman > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Steve Dugas" <sjdugas@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There is really no shortage of real estate - all the other > > > groups > > > > I listed here yesterday have plenty of free space for > additional > > > > files... > > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Mark H > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 9:03 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [amibroker] Group File Deletions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Brian: > > > > > > > > > > Instead of going though this selection voting process, how > > > about > > > > consult with TJ to see if we can move all those files to a > > folder > > > > under: > > > > > http://www.amibroker.org/3rdparty/ > > > > > > > > > > They are merely 20MB in total. Very little space indeed in > > > terms > > > > of a modern hard drive. > > > > > Then we can put a note and a link over amibroker group > file > > > > section so people can find the files. > > > > > If this doesn't work, then we can vote, > > > > > > > > > > - Mark H. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: brian.z123 > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 7:56 PM > > > > > Subject: [amibroker] Group File Deletions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VOTE,VOTE, VOTE. > > > > > > > > > > I am going to collect suggestions about the Group file > > > section > > > > to > > > > > send to support. > > > > > I am also inviting all forum users to vote for the files > > > they > > > > would > > > > > like to keep in the file section. > > > > > The format of the voting process is discussed in an > > attached > > > > post. > > > > > At the end of the voting I will send the results to > > support > > > > and ask > > > > > them to consider deleting files that no one or perhaps > > very > > > > few want > > > > > to keep. > > > > > > > > > > DO NOT EMAIL SUPPORT ON THIS ISSUE. > > > > > > > > > > It is entirely my own initiative. > > > > > > > > > > QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON VOTING ETC IS INVITED WITHIN > > THIS > > > > TOPIC. > > > > > > > > > > Voting will be confidential. > > > > > Please do not make people feel uncomfortable by > commenting > > > on > > > > the > > > > > votes as recorded or file ownership by name. > > > > > A vigorous discussion on the use of the file section > will > > be > > > > invited > > > > > in a separate topic. > > > > > > > > > > THIS IS A DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. > > > > > THERE IS NO GUARANTEE AT THE END THAT ANY ACTION WILL BE > > > TAKEN > > > > BY > > > > > SUPPORT. > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure what the outcome will be. > > > > > It depends on the forum and whether or not we can reach > a > > > > reasonable > > > > > consensus on any issue or issues. > > > > > > > > > > THE FINAL DECISION IN ANY CASE REMAINS WITH AMIBROKER > > > SUPPORT. > > > > > > > > > > Don't shoot me I am only the messenger. > > > > > This is a one-off initiative on my part. > > > > > It does not imply that I would undertake any similar > > action > > > in > > > > the > > > > > future or that I have any defined role or authority > within > > > the > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your consideration of my proposals. > > > > > > > > > > BrianB2. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that this group is for discussion between users only. 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