klik benefits: (http://dot.kde.org/1126867980/)
* Can you imagine you just copy one single file onto your system,
wherever you possess "rw" privileges (no need for being root) and this
file represents a complex, runnable application?
* Can you imagine that with a simple click on a website you could
"copy-install" and run such an application?
* Can you imagine that this simple "installation" did not affect
in any way the stability of your base system?
* Can you imagine that this file could even run from a USB pen
drive? And you just stick it to a different computer to run the
application there?
* Can you imagine that you could run the latest official Krita
release side by side with Boudewijn's code from last night, without
the two versions interfering with each other?
* Can you imagine you revert to your old system again by just
deleting one file?
These are just a few ideas that klik brings to the desktop. The idea
is to make a single package that is easy to use.
I realize most of these points are probably similar to what
autopackage provides, but adding an option for users to download a
klik package of aMSN wouldn't hurt anything. (klik packages are built
using a debian package and creating a recipe which will download
dependencies, which can all be done easily by talking with the klik
devs. and submitting the recipe to them.) I would take care of this,
when the time comes.
~Lee
On 11/16/05, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> first, Lee you're right, we should answer users in a professional
> manner... BUT, trust me, I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMOREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE and I
> totally understand Jerome for answering the guy like that.. dman, you try
> a product, it doesn't work, you go looking at "how to do it" before asking
> the devels... anyways, there are to omany stupid n00bs out there :@ and
> that's what makes me loose my temper from time to time.. I mean, just
> today, I had a stupid question about webcam crashing, and the guy didn't
> even look at the forum, I've received so many people complainging about
> webcam not working when they use the pwc driver (the problem comes from
> the driver) that I've made the thread that talks about it in my
> bookmarks!!! (I never needed more than 3 bookmarks, one for tcl commands,
> one for tk commands and one for amsn SF page and now the pwc thread...)..
> anyways, I answered the guy, gave him the solution, said you should
> launched the "set command" with whatever argument, read the forum to find
> the exact command to execute... today he comes back and said "as XXX said,
> I commented these lines, do I need to do it everytime I download the cvs?
> or can I overwrite the cvs msncam.tcl file with my modified version"!!!
> damn, that guy is crazy, first, he didn't look at the forum, secondly, he
> didn't ever see that the lines he commented were all inside an if
> { $::webcam_settings_bug == 1} and even more, he comes back asking such a
> stupid question.. what the hell do you think will happen if you overwrite
> the file, you'll probably create more bugs to your local copy!!! anyways,
> this kind of behavior, I see it every day and I have to answer these
> questions every time, it's really frustrating!
> I think we should close the SF forums, keep only the recording grounds
> forum, have sticky notes, forum Rules, and if we get an answer like that,
> we just close the thread with the "read the rules/faq or you'll be
> banned", that would be soooo nice!!!!!!!!!!!!
> I honestly don't give a dman about loosing such stupid users!!! honnestly!
> I mean, fuck them, if we loose 100 of users, it's not that bad, we still
> have 4000 downloads a day.. I wonder how much it will be once we release
> 0.95... and also, they really don't deserve we answer them... we're not
> here to waste time because those bastards are too lazy and stupid!!!
> ouff, that felt good :)
> anyways, Phil, you're right also, but that guy for example downloaded the
> CVS version, because he wanted the webcam I guess or some new features and
> there are no rpms for cvs..
> I don't know what you talked about, something you did... what was that,
> can I get an F5 (refresh :P) ?
> About creating the debian directory, I think it's a good idea, we should
> probably create the debian dir, have a "make rpm" that would create rpms
> using already prepared spec files and anything else that can be done is
> also welcomed...
> Now, back to the latest post of Lee, I like the idea of klik, but we're
> already supposed to add support for autopackage... isn't it the same
> (besides the url..) ? what's the big differences/advantages/disadvantages
> of using klik over autopackage ?
>
> Thanks all,
> KaKaRoTo
>
>
> On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:59:47 -0500, Lee Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Phil: SUSE uses .rpm too
> >
> > I think we should look into klik as an addition to the rpm, deb,
> > tarball, etc. packages. It allows you to run an application with 1
> > single click. The only requirement is to download the klik client.
> > The klik client then does the rest of the work. For example, let's
> > say I want to install the latest amarok. I'll run:
> > klik://amarok-svn-nightly
> >
> > It will take a look at the recipe for amarok-svn-nightly, download its
> > deps. and launch amarok-svn-nightly. I think this would be an
> > excellent way to approach cvs-snapshots.
> >
> > Klik does not yet support all distros, but with more people testing,
> > it could get there soon.
> >
> > I have been using klik for quite a while now, and it is a great way to
> > try software without installing. (note: i've tried new betas of kde
> > and e17 with klik)
> >
> > More info: http://klik.atekon.de/
> >
> > ~Lee
> >
> >
> > On 11/16/05, Le Philousophe - Phil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >> A new linux user will use RPMs and he won't have to do any make or
> >> configure !!
> >> You can use my amazing system to create RPMs and next distribute them !!
> >> (I must throw to me flowers since nobody reply to my previous
> >> mail...... :'( )
> >> Well I would like someone does the same to generate debian packages.
> >> With that
> >> we would be able to make packets with CVS and create beta versions
> >> easily
> >> without the help of external packagers who don't have only that to do !!
> >> Hey COME ON guys I want a reply even if it is silly :p
> >> How many distros use the RPM system ?? I have a Fedora, Mandriva uses it
> >> too... Which else ??
> >> Phil
> >>
> >> Le Mercredi 16 Novembre 2005 20:07, Lee Olson a écrit:
> >> > Perhaps if this user is new to Linux, they are not used to looking up
> >> > information on how to compile something.
> >> >
> >> > If we want this application to be easy for the user, we should
> >> > carefully describe how to perform actions. Instead of:
> >> >
> >> > "You can't load TkCximage, this in now needed for to run AMSN. You can
> >> > compile it with the makefile inside amsn folder".
> >> >
> >> > Tell them:
> >> >
> >> > "You can't load TkCximage, this in now needed for to run aMSN. You can
> >> > compile it by entering your aMSN folder, and issuing the command:
> >> > ./configure;make
> >> >
> >> > (aMSN folder could even be made more specific)
> >> >
> >> > We must make everything as clear as possible. Simply telling the user
> >> > to RTFA, RTFM will not help... Of course we hope that all users would
> >> > read the documents, faq, wiki, etc. before using aMSN, but that's not
> >> > always the case.
> >> >
> >> > A new Linux user doesn't want to use their Windows operating system
> >> > anymore, but still wants to use their msn to talk to their friends.
> >> > They don't want to mess around reading how to set something up, they
> >> > want to click something or enter one command, login with their
> >> > username and password, and start chatting.
> >> >
> >> > I think we need to be careful on how we are addressing these questions
> >> > in the forum. New documents and faqs will be available soon, but
> >> > until that time, we'll have to deal with these questions which seem
> >> > quite elementary, and reply to them in a professional manner so that
> >> > we are not losing users.
> >> >
> >> > Something to think about....
> >> >
> >> > ~Lee
> >> >
> >> > On 11/16/05, SourceForge.net <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > > Read and respond to this message at:
> >> > > https://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=3430273
> >> > > By: germinator2000
> >> > >
> >> > > Welll??!!!
> >> > >
> >> > > You can compile it with the makefile inside amsn folder
> >> > >
> >> > > You compiled it or you just stoped reading after the first 3 words?
> >> > >
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