> But I think we'll not need many options. Just one: Show Personal 
> Message. How they appear should depend on the skin only.

That's another idea (and then I can hack the skin :D) Disadvantage: skins 
will have to be redone :(

> For the default skin I'd prefer to have the PSM shown below the nick, in 
> a somewhat smaller font, and in a lighter color (probably the grey of 
> the CL border would do well).

Well, M$N shows it next to the nick, not below it... There tends to be a 
huge disagreement on this one... but yeah, smaller font, lighter color, 
and not grey :D (Maybe status color, just a bit grey-ish?) I'd add - not 
bold either (sorry Youness) :)

> Also, the psm should have word-wrap, so you can always read the whole 
> psm.

No, otherwise your CL will become huge. To read it all, look at the 
tooltip or make your CL larger! I mean, we don't even have word-wrap on 
nicknames, we truncate them instead... imagine now the default behavior: 
nicks truncated and PSMs with word-wrap, wouldn't that be kind of 
ridiculous?

Unless we make this a third option for PSMs... :D I am still willing to 
code this... Or make a PSM-customization plugin? Or better not let plugins 
mess with the spaghetti-CL-code?

Vivia

> 
> Op vrijdag 3 februari 2006 14:24, schreef Vivia Nikolaidou:
> > BAD, BAD idea to add a $nick\n$psm to the global nickname!
> >
> > First: the \n appears even if there is no psm set.
> >
> > Second: the state appears on the new line.
> >
> > Third: imagine opening a chatwindow with that contact.....
> >
> > So I prefer to completely drop the idea, sorry Youness. Karel talked about
> > a check if the \n is the last character, but chatwindows will still look
> > UGLY.
> >
> > I'm thinking about adding maybe a "PSM Options" section to the Appearance
> > tab, with 1) "Global / custom nicknames override PSM" 2) "Show PSM on a
> > new line" and maybe 1-2 more. I can code it just by myself so don't worry,
> > but I really see no other solution (Yes, I prefer PSMs on a new line too!)
> >
> > Vivia
> >
> > On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, Youness Alaoui wrote:
> > > On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 02:17:16 -0500, Lz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > i'd go for the add and option thing.
> > > >
> > > > I have the "show emails instead of nicknames" option turned on, so i
> > > > can't
> > > > see PSM'S on CL at all. That way i could see them :P
> > >
> > > global/custom nicks already support PSMs in them.. + they support \n and
> > > \t too
> > > now.. scroll down to read my answer to Vivia...
> > >
> > > > On 1/30/06, Vivia Nikolaidou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > First of all: GREAT WORK Youness :) looks much better! I thought it
> > > > > was
> > > > > impossible when I tried to do the same thing... :)
> > >
> > > thanks! but it was easy actually :P only it needed a little bit of code
> > > refactoring.. don't be afraid to move code around and remove/add
> > > arguments to an already existing method (example, before we were sending
> > > the 'nickname' (what to show, so nickname\npsm) to ShowUser which would
> > > draw everything for a single user.. but that was stupid.. I moved the
> > > code to ShowUser and removed the '$user_name" argument as it's not
> > > needed! without that code refactoring, it wouldn't have been easy!
> > >
> > > > > Second:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://amsn.sourceforge.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=423&highlight=
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, most people want the PSM next to the nickname and not below it,
> > > > > but
> > > > > this person has a point... I had to face this problem too locally
> > > > > because
> > > > > I shrink the aMSN window... So I can see two solutions:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) we add an option :D :D :D :D
> > >
> > > no..
> > >
> > > > > 2) we make the custom/global nicks able to contain newlines AND show
> > > > > the
> > > > > psms in italics... will need more work of course, and most people
> > > > > won't
> > > > > think of doing it this way - personally, forget about it, I cannot do
> > > > > this
> > > > >
> > > > > :)
> > >
> > > the idea was to automatically show the PSM in italic, can't show it
> > > differently.. + newlines are possible already.. just copy a newline from
> > > somewhere and paste it in that entry :P but I think we should add a
> > > 'newline inserter' like in the nickname/psm/FC4 entries.. if it's not
> > > there already
> > >
> > > > > And, of course, 3) ignore this request :)
> > >
> > > we will ignore it.. at least, I will.. you can not ignore it by simply
> > > answering that guy that we are ignoring it :P (in short, answer him with
> > > my reasons here, and ignore the request itself)..
> > > the reason is simple.. we're an M$N clone, so we reproduce M$ behavior...
> > > I just tested, opened M$ 7.5, set a PSM, and ohh, how horrible, yes, it
> > > gets cropped out! well, that's NORMAL! if you want to see it, you
> > > maximize your window.. I know in linux, you usually don't maximize
> > > windows, and in windows, you can't work without maximimizing them.. but
> > > hey, that's just how it is! if we ever accept this request, we'd better
> > > also accept queries like : "ohh, I made my CL 2 pixels wide because I
> > > want all my apps in the same desktop, but I can't read anyone's
> > > nicknames, it's all cropped out, can you make it so that it's wrapped
> > > instead? and I can see one character per line.. I don't care if I scroll
> > > down for hours to read one nick..."
> > >
> > > anyways, my proposition for this request is this :
> > > make PSM bold/italic in the tooltip (code refactoring anyone ?:P) AND it
> > > seems that now, the nick is trimmed, the status is not, the PSM is not..
> > > it should be, not AND psm trimmed, status not... but I'll have to check
> > > how M$ does it..
> > >
> > > KKRT
> > >
> > > > > What does everyone think?
> > > > >
> > > > > Viv
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Lz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).
> > > > http://elezeta.bounceme.net
> > >
> > > --
> > > KaKaRoTo
> > >
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