py2exe will create an executable in native code, out of the python code (or maybe it's a python interpreter with bundled pyc/pyo byte code
objects... (reminds me of freewrap for tcl/tk)
Yeah it's the latter, it bundles everything you need along with the interpreter.
also pyrex converts python to C which can be compiled (bad idea)...
There's also psyco: http://psyco.sourceforge.net/
But I reckon such optimization tools are more appropriate for really performance-sensitive code, like realtime audio processing, etc. :-)
anyways, the default python IDE looks like crap, I rtied it, hated it (maybe not used to it).. also, the 'help' of python looks awefull.. didn't
look in the website or anything, just plain 'python -> help'.. it's hard to find what you want or to even know how to use the help...
The default IDE is indeed crap. :-) I personally prefer PyDev (http://pydev.sourceforge.net/), which is a plugin for Eclipse. It has code completion, refactoring, integrated debugging and lots of other goodies.
Regards,
Ole André
but the language looks promising, apart from the indentation problem, it looks fairly nice. I only wonder if there is any alternatives, or a fork
of python which allows for normal, braced syntax...
p.s.: old, huge code is not so easy to read imo...
KKRT
On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 11:57:40PM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote:
> Yeah, don't worry, I read it already... it's a quite interesting article.. I then looked at a python code I had (the ISF decompressor from Ole)
> and after installing the python-mode for emacs (haha! no flame war please vi users :P) I found it 'acceptable'.. I still don't like it, and for
> sure, without a proper editor, it becomes difficult to read/write the code (without syntax highliting it's difficult (for a n00b) to easily see
> where a proc starts or ends...)
> but I think it's manageable... if the pros go for python, I'm willing to learn it and start working with it.
> Any quick info on python ? need for an interpreter ? can it be compiled (native code) ? can it be pre-compiled (bytecode that still needs an
> interpreter) ? or only interpreted (like tcl)... only one thing to install or python to install + other stuff ? any easy way to install bindings
> (like cpan for perl) ?
> etc... that kind of info would be usefull.
>
> thanks,
> KKRT
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 10:46:20PM -0400, Philippe Khalaf wrote:
> > On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:28:43 -0400
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Youness Alaoui) wrote:
> >
> > > Make fun of me???? BASTARD!!!! :@ :p
> > > j/k
> > > Yeah, I know, I'm stubborn and I either 'like it' or not.. and idnentation as part of the syntax.. I don't like.. I do have a small experience
> > > with it, with maybe the only other language which considers spaces as being part of the syntax... COBOL :p and I don't like that!
> > Go skim over the article ole gave :
> > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3882
> >
> > E.R. had the same impression as you at first but as you see the rest
> > was very positive.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Philippe
> >
> >
> > >
> > > KKRT
> > >
> > > On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 12:05:33PM -0400, Philippe Khalaf wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:30:46 -0400
> > > > "Madd Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > You mean python cons where you say TCL cons at one point.
> > > > >
> > > > > Having learned python, you get used to the indentation very fast. I
> > > > > wouldn't list it as a big con. You get very readable code as a result
> > > > > as well. Its debatable.
> > > > Actually I put the indentation in there ironically to make fun of
> > > > Youness. I'll remove it from the wiki.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Philippe
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Another Pro is I can do more than sit on the sidelines and listen to
> > > > > this mailing list with python. I was about to start writing my own
> > > > > python msn client, but I'll help this one instead if that language is
> > > > > picked.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 8/19/06, Philippe Khalaf < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I reread all posts about this, and here is what I got :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Quick summary of what was said until now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------ TCL PROS in aMSN2 ----------
> > > > > > - No need for anyone to learn any new language (good & bad reason)
> > > > > > - If people learn a new language, the intial code will probably be crap
> > > > > > (good reason, but it might also bring in new experienced devs to help
> > > > > > out)
> > > > > > - We *might* be able to reuse code (good reason, but not sure how much
> > > > > > code we really can reuse in new design)
> > > > > > - cross-platform
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------ TCL CONS in aMSN2 ----------
> > > > > > - Bindings hell (this might just be a complete project killer btw)
> > > > > > - old, outdated, unpopular language (this means it's harder to capture
> > > > > > young and bright hackers who are interested in better and more popular
> > > > > > languages)
> > > > > > - In aMSN2, the main advantage of using TCL/TK (cross platform, no
> > > > > > compilation), is long gone.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------ PYTHON PROS in aMSN2 ----------
> > > > > > - new popular and active language (this means many more hackers will
> > > > > > probably join the project)
> > > > > > - opportunity to expand our skills and learn something new and better
> > > > > > - all required bindings are available, maintained and distributed
> > > > > > - faster development than TCL or most any other languages
> > > > > > - object oriented language
> > > > > > - cross-platform
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------ TCL CONS in aMSN2 ----------
> > > > > > - Wierd indentation (very bad reason)
> > > > > > - Must learn new language (not necessarily a bad thing)
> > > > > > - what else?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If someone would please put this up on the wiki and then anyone who
> > > > > > has any new PROs and CONS can add it. Once we feel it is complete we can
> > > > > > vote. Anyone has any objections to this methodology?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Philippe
> > > > > >
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