hey Tom,
Yes, you lost your right, so shut up! just kidding! :p no, your opinion is
as valuable as any other (apart from mine which is superior to all,
buahahaha:p)
You're right, sort by 'chat log size' is better than 'log size'.
I also don't think we should have a popup or anything if the chat logs are
disabled.. someone could have chat logs THEN disabled it, in which case it
would still work, he just won't have any 'new' logs..
Same for default profiles.. the option works, it just won't matter since all
logs sizes are = 0... + if its set on the default profile, it might be
because someone wants it to become the default sorting once he creates new
profiles...
On 6/2/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> 2008/6/2 Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> Humm.. it's a bit weird.. maybe more 'logical' but less intuitive for WLM
>> users (don't forget that our purpose is to keep the same look&feel to ease
>> the transition of WLM users).
>> Also, the 'sort ascending' and 'sort descending' look like they would act
>> on whatever the sorting is, while it should actually by 'sort alphabetically
>> ascending' and 'sort alphabetically descending'. Also, for users with the
>> same log size (mostly 0K), the 'sort alphabetically' would be important to
>> keep... so we shouldn't have a radio button between the sort alphabetically
>> and the sort by how much I talk to them...
>> Also, I like the idea of "sort by log size" because it's clear, it says
>> what it does, people won't get confused... while a user might say "why isn't
>> it working" while he has logs disabled... logically, a 'sort by how much I
>> talk to them' would mean that amsn would keep an internal counter on how
>> many times we opened the chat window with that contact...
>>
>> what are your thoughts ?
>
>
> That's true; I hadn't thought of if they had logs disabled. In that case
> the option could be disabled or cause a popup that says 'to use this option
> you need to have chat logs enabled. Click here to enable them' or something
> friendly :) I just think that newnewbies with flick over it cause it sounds
> technical. Although I suppose they probably wouldn't be sorting their
> contacts :^). On second thought, I thinki it'd be just as good to say sort
> by _chat log_ size instead of sort by _log_ size :) Again, just my loose
> change ;) (I realise I lost all my rights to be listened to when I
> disappeared for a year!)
>
>
>
>>
>> KaKaRoTo
>>
>> On 6/1/08, Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Forgot the option how to sort groups. Here's the whole thing now: (for
>>> info, check the other mail)
>>>
>>> Sort contacts =>
>>> o Sort by status
>>> o Sort by how much I talk to them
>>> * Sort alfabetically
>>> ------
>>> * Sort ascending
>>> o Sort descending
>>> ------
>>> [v]Use contactgroups
>>> [v]Group offline contacts
>>> [ ]Hide offline group
>>> [v]Group non-IM contacts
>>> [ ]Hide non-IM group
>>> -------
>>> Change appearance of contacts ...
>>> -------
>>> * Sort groups ascending
>>> o Sort groups descending
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2008/6/1 Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2008/6/1 Tom Hennigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>>
>>>>> How about a radical re-shuffle of the View menu?
>>>>>
>>>>> View =>
>>>>> Sort groups by =>
>>>>> Status
>>>>> Groups
>>>>> Hybridsort
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How can you sort groups by status? They don't have a status themselves,
>>>> right ?
>>>>
>>>> Sort contacts by =>
>>>>> Ascending
>>>>> Descending
>>>>> ----------------
>>>>> Status
>>>>> How much I talk to them
>>>>> Show as =>
>>>>> Nickname
>>>>> Email
>>>>> Group contacts =>
>>>>> Offline (IE. Hybrid)
>>>>> Non-IM
>>>>> Hide groups =>
>>>>> Non-IM
>>>>> Offline
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There's too many submenu's this way IMHO. I cant recall what most
>>>> guidelines say about this now but I think having a submenu for a choice
>>>> between 2 things is "not done"
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Move "Change Global Nick" to Actions menu.
>>>>>
>>>> This is and should stay a "View" thing as it changes the "view" of the
>>>> CL. The menu title is not "view" as in the verb.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What about:
>>>>
>>>> Sort contacts =>
>>>> o Sort by status
>>>> o Sort by how much I talk to them
>>>> * Sort alfabetically
>>>> ------
>>>> * Sort ascending
>>>> o Sort descending
>>>> ------
>>>> [v]Use contactgroups
>>>> [v]Group offline contacts
>>>> [ ]Hide offline group
>>>> [v]Group non-IM contacts
>>>> [ ]Hide non-IM group
>>>> Change appearance of contacts ...
>>>> (clicking this pops up a window to change the "global nick" where
>>>> you
>>>> can alo choose to only show the email-adress)
>>>>
>>>> This way th "View" menu would only have 2 items, the first being that
>>>> subenu. THe "o" and "*" are radio buttons where the latter is the default
>>>> selected item. the "[ ]" and "[v]" are checkboxes where the latter is a
>>>> default checked item.
>>>>
>>>> I don't have too much time for a lengthy discussion about this so if
>>>> there's too much worng with this idea, just discard it. I hope it's well
>>>> thought-out though :p.
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Karel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> - Tom
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1 Jun 2008, at 12:49, Karel Demeyer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Another note: this wording is like what I was aming for in my other
>>>>> mail :).
>>>>> Sort contacts by:
>>>>> group
>>>>> status
>>>>> hybrid
>>>>> how much I talk to them
>>>>>
>>>>> If those native english speakers here (they all seem to be called "Tom"
>>>>> somehow) could find anything shorter that says the same thing it would be
>>>>> superb.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Karel.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2008/6/1 Tom Hennigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> How about: "Sort Contacts by how much I talk to them"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a thought, if logging is disabled, then we don't have a record of
>>>>>> how much people talk to them.. So the option won't do anything.. The menu
>>>>>> item should not be there if logging isn't enabled (or at least
>>>>>> disabled)...
>>>>>> - Tom
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1 Jun 2008, at 11:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2008/6/1 Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> added the UI for.. anyone care to comment ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>> I'm hardly ever on msn anymore, but I noticed in the commit the lang
>>>>>> key is 'Sort by log size' - I think 'Show people I talk to most first'
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> better worded would be good; this way newbies can see what the thing
>>>>>> is...
>>>>>> that way the command says _what_ it does, not _how_ it does it...make
>>>>>> sense?
>>>>>> Just my 2p!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 01:24:34AM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote:
>>>>>>> > Hello...
>>>>>>> > I added a 'sort by log size' feature to aMSN.. question is..
>>>>>>> > how should it be done in the UI to make it user-friendly.. I
>>>>>>> > thought have the 'sort by log size' checkbox next to 'sort
>>>>>>> > ascending' and 'sort descending' but those two act more like
>>>>>>> > radio buttons than checkboxes, so adding a third,
>>>>>>> > non-radio-like-behavior option would not fit...
>>>>>>> > Karel.. any ideas ?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > KaKaRoTo
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > ----- Forwarded message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Log Message:
>>>>>>> > -----------
>>>>>>> > New feature : sort by log size.. very nice to see the most often
>>>>>>> talked to people at the top of your CL.
>>>>>>> > enable-able with the console, GUI will come soon once we decide how
>>>>>>> to put it nicely and 'user-friendly'...
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Modified Paths:
>>>>>>> > --------------
>>>>>>> > trunk/amsn/config.tcl
>>>>>>> > trunk/amsn/protocol.tcl
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
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