Hi again,
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Álvaro J. Iradier <airad...@gmail.com>wrote:
> To make things clear, I'm not offended at all, I was just surprised.
>
Cool, I'm glad you're not offended, you have no reason to be offended.
> Yes, I've been quite inactive, that's true. My last commit was 14
> months ago (that's not years and years :p). But I was one of the
> founders of the project, still active in the mailing list from time to
> time, and I think I'm still one of the top commiters.
>
Yes, but I know you've been inactive for a while, yes, your last commit was
14 months ago, and that was the initial asyncresolver extension, then that's
it, before that, it was back in 2007, so that's why I said "years and years"
since it's been about 3 years since your last real activity
I don't really think that matters anyways, because 14 months of inactivity
is already *alot*.
You can't really say you're still active in the mailing list since the
mailing list itself isn't really active, most of us are always on IRC, but
you're never there.You never talk to us, you never join the IRC channel, you
have no idea on what's happening with aMSN, So I can't consider you as being
still 'active' in the development of aMSN.
And no, you're not still one of the top commiters. You do have a lot of
commit counts, but most of them (almost 50%) are because of your langlist
automatic commit cronjob, and lang file updates. I took the liberty of
writing a small script to check the commit counts for everyone from the svn
log output, and the result is available here if you're curious:
http://pastebin.com/dScJufjC
And even if you had top commiter rank, that doesn't change the fact that
your current status is inactive. Read below for what I think about 'past
achievements'...
> It's just today I was going to show something about AMSN to a friend,
> and I noticed I wasn't a project member anymore. I really don't mind
> much about it, right now I don't "need" it. But if I had to choose,
> I'd prefer to stay a member. AMSN is like a "son" for me, and I can't
> be sure I'll be back on it some day.
>
Yes, I understand, I feel the exact same way, aMSN is my little baby too,
and that's the reason why, after all these years, and after all the time
wasted on it, and all my attempts to leave the project, I just couldn't drop
it. aMSN is important for me, and that's why I've always came back and
stayed active.. And (don't take this the wrong way, it's just a joke), if
aMSN is like a son for you and you only visited him once in 3 years, then
maybe you're not a good daddy :p
Anyways, like I said, I understand you, and I've thought about this for a
while and consulted with the other admins before removing you as well as
some other people from the member list. It turned out to be a simple
decision of : who is active? not "who deserves his name in there"...
Your name is still in the README file, CREDITS, etc.. you're still one of
the original authors, but you're just not one of the currently active
developers. I respect your work, everybody here does, but if I re-add you
out of respect for your work, what about others who have been huge
contributors? like burgerman and germinator for example ? If we start adding
people out of respect of their past work, then we'd end up with a big list
of members again where nobody is active and it doesn't represent us very
well..
I've had people tell me that they see the member list and they expect aMSN
to be very active because of all the members.. some even say "they don't
need me, they're so many already", so it doesn't show the reality, and I
don't like that.
There's one thing that I liked about launchpad is that a membership to a
project expires after 3 or 6 months, so if you're active, you get the 'your
membership is about to expire" email, and you tell the admin "please renew
it". If you're not active, you'd end up not asking for renewals, so all
inactive devs get automatically kicked out by the system. The way SF works
is that I have to manually kick people which is annoying, embarassing and
sometimes a hard to make decision. The way launchpad works is that the
embarassment is shifted from the admin to the developer, after X years of
inactivity, the developer (you in this case) would be the one who would be
embarassed for asking for membership renewal knowing that he's doing nothing
to help the project. And when you get kicked out, you don't blame me or some
other admin for what "they did to you', you can only blame the system or
yourself for not responding to the "your membership is about to expire"
email.
Either way, to conclude, I'd say that you're not currently a developer, but
if you need commit access again because you've got some free time now, and
you want to be active again like in the old days (not just a few commits, in
which case, you can send patches like everyone else), then I have no problem
in adding you again, but you need to become active. And also, now all
developers are required to be in the #amsn channel on IRC, so you'd need to
join us there.
>
> BTW, it's just me, or are you experiencing increasing spam on MSN?
> Every day I get 2 or 3 invitations from stupid bot-girls offering
> naughty things on the webcam.
>
I only got one so far, which is higher than the zero I had before.. I think
spammers will always find new ways to annoy us... unfortunately, this is
getting ridiculous!
>
> Greets.
>
Take care,
KaKaRoTo
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Youness Alaoui
> <kakar...@kakaroto.homelinux.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Álvaro J. Iradier <airad...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Today I was checking sourceforge, and I noticed I'm not an AMSN
> >> project member anymore.
> >
> > Hi
> >
> >>
> >> How, when and why did this happen?
> >
> >
> > How: I removed the inactive devs myself through the SF interface
> > When: A few months ago I think
> > Why: Because we were about 40 'members' and almost noone in there was
> > active, so I decided to remove anyone who wasn't a developer anymore, all
> > inactive devs were deleted, and you were one of them.
> > I don't understand why you seem shocked by this, you haven't been active
> for
> > years and years, and the last time we spoke, I remember you telling me to
> > remove you from the list of members since you're not active anymore, and
> I
> > just told you "nah, it's ok".
> > Anyways, if you've got something to say, you'll find me on MSN, as
> always.
> > Take care,
> > KaKaRoTo
> >>
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> >>
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