On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Grace Gellerman <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> I meant talking about Phab in R&D Staff at 1:30pm Pacific tomorrow,
>

We haven't held the 1:30pm meeting when we've had combined staff meeting
once a month (shouldn't be in the calendar, but it is).

Leila


> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Toby Negrin <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Sure -- I need to send out an agenda for consolidated staff tomorrow, but
>> perhaps you and Kevin can share your experiences and talk about the dev
>> process and use of fab?
>>
>> [Note -- we will have staff tomorrow]
>>
>> -Toby
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Grace Gellerman <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Should we talk more about this in our Research staff meeting on Tuesday?
>>>
>>> I agree that we need to figure out prioritization process first.  Also
>>> keeping two systems active could lead to requests going into two places
>>> which could affect the workflow of prioritization.
>>>
>>> I see the advantages to using Phab, but haste can sometimes, ya know,
>>> make waste.  So let's talk about this more...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Toby Negrin <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> To be clear - I do not want to move to Fabricator without reviewing our
>>>> prioritization process.
>>>>
>>>> Shall we make this a Q3 goal since people seem really into it?
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 10:44 AM, Leila Zia <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Oliver,
>>>>
>>>>    I'd like to give Phabricator a try. I suggest the following steps if
>>>> we decide to do it:
>>>>
>>>>    1. We block a 15-min team time in December during which R&D will
>>>>    play with Phabricator in https://phab-01.wmflabs.org/ If we all
>>>>    feel reasonably comfortable, then,
>>>>    2. We switch to Phabricator in January, at the beginning of Q3, and
>>>>    we aim to try it for one quarter [1]. If it works, great, if not,
>>>>    3. We go back to Trello.
>>>>
>>>> Leila
>>>>
>>>> [1] During the quarter, we keep Trello but we don't update it. If we
>>>> figure out some time during the quarter that we can't work with Phabricator
>>>> at all, we switch back to Trello and all we need to do is to add Q3's tasks
>>>> back to it.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Dan Andreescu <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> So those are the reasons I have, off the top of my head. Other
>>>>>> reasons? Counter-arguments? Post em here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed, Phabricator is a good tool, and great if it creates a single
>>>>> place where we manage our projects.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not all great though.  Trello has a much more refined
>>>>> notification system and much prettier interface.  Mingle has more powerful
>>>>> queries, Asana is more to the point, etc.  We've been over these and
>>>>> decided as an organization to move towards Phabricator, I'm certainly not
>>>>> trying to dig up old wounds.  I do want to say though: bring those 
>>>>> positive
>>>>> experiences when you switch from a system you like.  Because Phabricator 
>>>>> is
>>>>> open source and the Facebook team that maintains it has been super 
>>>>> friendly
>>>>> and helpful to us during our migration.  If we criticize it 
>>>>> constructively,
>>>>> Phabricator will only get better.
>>>>>
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