I have been informed MW Core no longer exists. Fair catch ;p. But this is software development, not Oprah - product ownership is not something under the seat of every audience member. Someone needs to actually own the definition. I don't mind if it's AnEng, Research, Readership, Search, whoever, but it being an unknown and undisclosed responsibility that falls on the shoulders of everyone is a really bad way of doing it.
This is an organisational metric. Someone needs to own it. On 3 December 2015 at 13:11, Oliver Keyes <[email protected]> wrote: > Sure, but ownership does not mean "knows everything" it means "Makes > sure it gets done". MediaWiki is owned by everyone, sure, but the > actual idea of what MediaWiki core is has a team. The MediaWiki core > team. > > On 3 December 2015 at 13:07, Nuria Ruiz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>So the pageview definition, one of our core organisational KPIs, is owned >>> simultaneously by everyone? >> Sure, just like mediawiki codebase is collectively own. >> >> Personally I do not see that as a problem and regardless I think it reflects >> reality, analytics team -as I mentioned before- doesn't have the knowledge >> or authority to "decide" what constitutes a search pageview without talking >> to the team/devs/community memebers that actually know how search works. >> >> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Oliver Keyes <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> So the pageview definition, one of our core organisational KPIs, is >>> owned simultaneously by everyone? >>> >>> On 3 December 2015 at 12:54, Nuria Ruiz <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>Who does own it? >>> > On our opinion every team should own the definition of a pageview in >>> > their >>> > product right and when in doubt analytics or research can be involved to >>> > provide feedback on lessons learned. >>> > >>> > For example: who is best qualified than IOS team to decide what >>> > constitutes >>> > a page in the IOS app? >>> > >>> > With that in mind I have created a ticket to define what constitutes a >>> > Search pageview: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120249 >>> > >>> > Let me know what is a good discovery project to tag this ticket with so >>> > this >>> > ticket gets some visibility. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > >>> > Nuria >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Oliver Keyes <[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> On 2 December 2015 at 15:38, Nuria Ruiz <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >>It's true that MediaWiki supports search based solely on the ?search >>> >> >> query >>> >> >> parameter. Regardless of whether title=Special:Search is specified. >>> >> >>This is mostly for legacy reasons as search predates the concept of >>> >> >> special >>> >> >> pages. >>> >> >>However, would it make sense to instead count these as page views for >>> >> >> 'Special:Search'? >>> >> > >>> >> > One thing worth clarifying is that analytics team doesn't own the >>> >> > pageview >>> >> > definition (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Page_view), we >>> >> > implement it to the best of our ability. Deciding what constitutes a >>> >> > pageview for search falls on the search team as they are the ones >>> >> > that >>> >> > know >>> >> > their functionality best (substitute "search team" by "some entity >>> >> > with >>> >> > knowledge of mediawiki's search abilities") According to Timo's >>> >> > comment >>> >> > it >>> >> > seems that "?search" requests should be counted as true pageviews but >>> >> > let us >>> >> > know otherwise via phab ticket or this list. >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> Who does own it? >>> >> >>> >> > Thanks, >>> >> > >>> >> > Nuria >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) >>> >> > <[email protected]> >>> >> > wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Oliver Keyes, 02/12/2015 18:52: >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Via Brian Davis we find out the responsible patch is >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery-source/commit/05e5da92553dbd3e691eb45d40e559895337935f >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Context: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Page_view/Archive_1#Parameters_appended_to_short_URLs >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Nemo >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> Analytics mailing list >>> >> >> [email protected] >>> >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > _______________________________________________ >>> >> > Analytics mailing list >>> >> > [email protected] >>> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Oliver Keyes >>> >> Count Logula >>> >> Wikimedia Foundation >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Analytics mailing list >>> >> [email protected] >>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Analytics mailing list >>> > [email protected] >>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Oliver Keyes >>> Count Logula >>> Wikimedia Foundation >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Analytics mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Analytics mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >> > > > > -- > Oliver Keyes > Count Logula > Wikimedia Foundation -- Oliver Keyes Count Logula Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ Analytics mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics
