A metric that is based on a draft RfC that was only created this year and depends on JS? I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest it has problems of its own ;p
On 3 December 2015 at 14:22, Gabriel Wicke <[email protected]> wrote: > I have witnessed this discussion about what constitutes a page view > repeatedly over the last months, and suspect that it is only going to > get murkier the more interactive and non-navigation features we add. > Some of these decisions are somewhat arbitrary, making the page view > metric a less accurate indicator for the true engagement of users with > our site. > > I think we should complement pageviews with a new metric that > side-steps a binary 1/0 decision: Time on Site. I have written up some > thoughts on this at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119352. > > Gabriel > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Oliver Keyes <[email protected]> wrote: >> I have been informed MW Core no longer exists. Fair catch ;p. But this >> is software development, not Oprah - product ownership is not >> something under the seat of every audience member. Someone needs to >> actually own the definition. I don't mind if it's AnEng, Research, >> Readership, Search, whoever, but it being an unknown and undisclosed >> responsibility that falls on the shoulders of everyone is a really bad >> way of doing it. >> >> This is an organisational metric. Someone needs to own it. >> >> On 3 December 2015 at 13:11, Oliver Keyes <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Sure, but ownership does not mean "knows everything" it means "Makes >>> sure it gets done". MediaWiki is owned by everyone, sure, but the >>> actual idea of what MediaWiki core is has a team. The MediaWiki core >>> team. >>> >>> On 3 December 2015 at 13:07, Nuria Ruiz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>So the pageview definition, one of our core organisational KPIs, is owned >>>>> simultaneously by everyone? >>>> Sure, just like mediawiki codebase is collectively own. >>>> >>>> Personally I do not see that as a problem and regardless I think it >>>> reflects >>>> reality, analytics team -as I mentioned before- doesn't have the knowledge >>>> or authority to "decide" what constitutes a search pageview without talking >>>> to the team/devs/community memebers that actually know how search works. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Oliver Keyes <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> So the pageview definition, one of our core organisational KPIs, is >>>>> owned simultaneously by everyone? >>>>> >>>>> On 3 December 2015 at 12:54, Nuria Ruiz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>Who does own it? >>>>> > On our opinion every team should own the definition of a pageview in >>>>> > their >>>>> > product right and when in doubt analytics or research can be involved to >>>>> > provide feedback on lessons learned. >>>>> > >>>>> > For example: who is best qualified than IOS team to decide what >>>>> > constitutes >>>>> > a page in the IOS app? >>>>> > >>>>> > With that in mind I have created a ticket to define what constitutes a >>>>> > Search pageview: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120249 >>>>> > >>>>> > Let me know what is a good discovery project to tag this ticket with so >>>>> > this >>>>> > ticket gets some visibility. >>>>> > >>>>> > Thanks, >>>>> > >>>>> > Nuria >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Oliver Keyes <[email protected]> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On 2 December 2015 at 15:38, Nuria Ruiz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >> >>It's true that MediaWiki supports search based solely on the ?search >>>>> >> >> query >>>>> >> >> parameter. Regardless of whether title=Special:Search is specified. >>>>> >> >>This is mostly for legacy reasons as search predates the concept of >>>>> >> >> special >>>>> >> >> pages. >>>>> >> >>However, would it make sense to instead count these as page views for >>>>> >> >> 'Special:Search'? >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > One thing worth clarifying is that analytics team doesn't own the >>>>> >> > pageview >>>>> >> > definition (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Page_view), we >>>>> >> > implement it to the best of our ability. Deciding what constitutes a >>>>> >> > pageview for search falls on the search team as they are the ones >>>>> >> > that >>>>> >> > know >>>>> >> > their functionality best (substitute "search team" by "some entity >>>>> >> > with >>>>> >> > knowledge of mediawiki's search abilities") According to Timo's >>>>> >> > comment >>>>> >> > it >>>>> >> > seems that "?search" requests should be counted as true pageviews but >>>>> >> > let us >>>>> >> > know otherwise via phab ticket or this list. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Who does own it? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> > Thanks, >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > Nuria >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) >>>>> >> > <[email protected]> >>>>> >> > wrote: >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> Oliver Keyes, 02/12/2015 18:52: >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Via Brian Davis we find out the responsible patch is >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery-source/commit/05e5da92553dbd3e691eb45d40e559895337935f >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> Context: >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Page_view/Archive_1#Parameters_appended_to_short_URLs >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> Nemo >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> >> Analytics mailing list >>>>> >> >> [email protected] >>>>> >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> > Analytics mailing list >>>>> >> > [email protected] >>>>> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -- >>>>> >> Oliver Keyes >>>>> >> Count Logula >>>>> >> Wikimedia Foundation >>>>> >> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> Analytics mailing list >>>>> >> [email protected] >>>>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > Analytics mailing list >>>>> > [email protected] >>>>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Oliver Keyes >>>>> Count Logula >>>>> Wikimedia Foundation >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Analytics mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Analytics mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Oliver Keyes >>> Count Logula >>> Wikimedia Foundation >> >> >> >> -- >> Oliver Keyes >> Count Logula >> Wikimedia Foundation >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Analytics mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > > > > -- > Gabriel Wicke > Principal Engineer, Wikimedia Foundation > > _______________________________________________ > Analytics mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics -- Oliver Keyes Count Logula Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ Analytics mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics
