I have witnessed this discussion about what constitutes a page view repeatedly over the last months, and suspect that it is only going to get murkier the more interactive and non-navigation features we add. Some of these decisions are somewhat arbitrary, making the page view metric a less accurate indicator for the true engagement of users with our site.
I think we should complement pageviews with a new metric that side-steps a binary 1/0 decision: Time on Site. I have written up some thoughts on this at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119352. Gabriel On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Oliver Keyes <[email protected]> wrote: > I have been informed MW Core no longer exists. Fair catch ;p. But this > is software development, not Oprah - product ownership is not > something under the seat of every audience member. Someone needs to > actually own the definition. I don't mind if it's AnEng, Research, > Readership, Search, whoever, but it being an unknown and undisclosed > responsibility that falls on the shoulders of everyone is a really bad > way of doing it. > > This is an organisational metric. Someone needs to own it. > > On 3 December 2015 at 13:11, Oliver Keyes <[email protected]> wrote: >> Sure, but ownership does not mean "knows everything" it means "Makes >> sure it gets done". MediaWiki is owned by everyone, sure, but the >> actual idea of what MediaWiki core is has a team. The MediaWiki core >> team. >> >> On 3 December 2015 at 13:07, Nuria Ruiz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>So the pageview definition, one of our core organisational KPIs, is owned >>>> simultaneously by everyone? >>> Sure, just like mediawiki codebase is collectively own. >>> >>> Personally I do not see that as a problem and regardless I think it reflects >>> reality, analytics team -as I mentioned before- doesn't have the knowledge >>> or authority to "decide" what constitutes a search pageview without talking >>> to the team/devs/community memebers that actually know how search works. >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Oliver Keyes <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> So the pageview definition, one of our core organisational KPIs, is >>>> owned simultaneously by everyone? >>>> >>>> On 3 December 2015 at 12:54, Nuria Ruiz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>Who does own it? >>>> > On our opinion every team should own the definition of a pageview in >>>> > their >>>> > product right and when in doubt analytics or research can be involved to >>>> > provide feedback on lessons learned. >>>> > >>>> > For example: who is best qualified than IOS team to decide what >>>> > constitutes >>>> > a page in the IOS app? >>>> > >>>> > With that in mind I have created a ticket to define what constitutes a >>>> > Search pageview: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120249 >>>> > >>>> > Let me know what is a good discovery project to tag this ticket with so >>>> > this >>>> > ticket gets some visibility. >>>> > >>>> > Thanks, >>>> > >>>> > Nuria >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Oliver Keyes <[email protected]> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> On 2 December 2015 at 15:38, Nuria Ruiz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >> >>It's true that MediaWiki supports search based solely on the ?search >>>> >> >> query >>>> >> >> parameter. Regardless of whether title=Special:Search is specified. >>>> >> >>This is mostly for legacy reasons as search predates the concept of >>>> >> >> special >>>> >> >> pages. >>>> >> >>However, would it make sense to instead count these as page views for >>>> >> >> 'Special:Search'? >>>> >> > >>>> >> > One thing worth clarifying is that analytics team doesn't own the >>>> >> > pageview >>>> >> > definition (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Page_view), we >>>> >> > implement it to the best of our ability. Deciding what constitutes a >>>> >> > pageview for search falls on the search team as they are the ones >>>> >> > that >>>> >> > know >>>> >> > their functionality best (substitute "search team" by "some entity >>>> >> > with >>>> >> > knowledge of mediawiki's search abilities") According to Timo's >>>> >> > comment >>>> >> > it >>>> >> > seems that "?search" requests should be counted as true pageviews but >>>> >> > let us >>>> >> > know otherwise via phab ticket or this list. >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> Who does own it? >>>> >> >>>> >> > Thanks, >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Nuria >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) >>>> >> > <[email protected]> >>>> >> > wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Oliver Keyes, 02/12/2015 18:52: >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Via Brian Davis we find out the responsible patch is >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery-source/commit/05e5da92553dbd3e691eb45d40e559895337935f >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Context: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Page_view/Archive_1#Parameters_appended_to_short_URLs >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Nemo >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> >> Analytics mailing list >>>> >> >> [email protected] >>>> >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > _______________________________________________ >>>> >> > Analytics mailing list >>>> >> > [email protected] >>>> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Oliver Keyes >>>> >> Count Logula >>>> >> Wikimedia Foundation >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Analytics mailing list >>>> >> [email protected] >>>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Analytics mailing list >>>> > [email protected] >>>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Oliver Keyes >>>> Count Logula >>>> Wikimedia Foundation >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Analytics mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Analytics mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Oliver Keyes >> Count Logula >> Wikimedia Foundation > > > > -- > Oliver Keyes > Count Logula > Wikimedia Foundation > > _______________________________________________ > Analytics mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics -- Gabriel Wicke Principal Engineer, Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ Analytics mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics
